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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Wow! That IS impressive given that the scale only goes up to 180!

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    The test was written by ETS and administered by the Law School Admissions Council (on a 200-800 point scale) until 1981, at which time LSAC took over authorship of the exam (and began scoring it on a 48-point scale).

    The test took its current form (with the 120-180 scaling) in 1991, and with the exception of the addition of Comparative Reading in June 2007, hasn’t changed in format since that time.



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So 53% of you think you're as smart or smarter than a law professor from a top 5 law school... So at least half the people on this board are like supreme court justices, major inventors, rhodes scholars, NASA scientists, etc? Who knew!?
    Those lawyers have got this country in the ****ed up mess its in now.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Seriously, that's all you got? Insult him because of the color of his skin? Even if a black guy is a professor at a top 5 law school, in your eyes he's still just a stupid nigger? Go **** yourself.
    While I'm not sure about Turtle's stats, how was that an insult towards blacks? Races are treated differently when applying to schools. Many schools, law schools included, want a diverse population and thus offer acceptances based on that desire for a diverse student body. It pays to be a white male if you are going into nursing or engineering, but law school has no shortage of white males.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Law Schools Admission Requirements | LSAT Scoring | LSAT Questions | Studying for LSAT


    The test was written by ETS and administered by the Law School Admissions Council (on a 200-800 point scale) until 1981, at which time LSAC took over authorship of the exam (and began scoring it on a 48-point scale).

    The test took its current form (with the 120-180 scaling) in 1991, and with the exception of the addition of Comparative Reading in June 2007, hasn’t changed in format since that time.
    TD, they think you're a youngin' like they are, without any experience and just out of school thinking they know everything.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You can't complain about being accused of spreading white supremacist rhetoric at the start of your post then go on to blurt out a bunch more white supremacist rhetoric in the rest of your post...

    Surely there is some way you can feel ok about yourself without trying to hurt others for no reason, isn't there?
    You're making a false equation, which is this:

    Truth = white supremacist rhetoric.

    Did Obama earn honors at Columbia? No, he did not. Is this white supremacist rhetoric?
    Did Harvard have affirmative action programs when Obama was admitted? Yes, they did. Is this white supremacist rhetoric?

    Here is what we know about the 1990 LSAT test takers, direct from a report issued by the LSAT organization. This is as close to the date of Obama's admission that I can find.

    Total male test takers: 21,500
    Total test takers: 40,027

    Total black male test takers: 886
    Total black female test takers: 1293

    Means Scores by group & Standard Deviation:

    Men: 32.87 & 8.11
    Women: 31.95 & 8.06

    Asian: 32.16 & 8.74
    Black: 24.11 & 8.44
    Caucasian: 33.33 & 7.54
    Hispanic:28.68 & 8.68
    Puerto Rican: 25.68 & 9.73
    Mexican American: 27.89 & 8.56

    This data give us some good material and from it we can build a distribution table.

    In the entire nation, 86.26% of all black LSAT takers were below the white mean score. This means that Obama would have to be in the top 13.75% of all black LSAT test takers just to put him squarely in the middle of the pack of white LSAT test takers.

    To put this another way, of all of the LSAT takers, let's use whites as comparison group because they had the highest mean score and the lowest SD of all the groups, meaning that they are going to be the most competitive group when applying to elite law schools.

    There were 31,539 white test takers, with a mean score of 33.33 and a SD of 7.54. There were 16,770 white students who scored above 33.33 on the LSAT. There were 300 black students who scored at, or higher, than the white mean of 33.33.

    If we go to the 1 SD level above the white mean, a score of 40.87, assuming a normal distribution, there were 4,367 white students who scored at that level or higher. There were, in that year, 97.647% of black students who scored lower than 40.87, meaning that there were only 51 students who earned a score of 40.87 or higher.

    If we bump the threshold up to Harvard territory, say the top 5% of students then the figures for the top 5% of white students would put them at the 45.732 LSAT score of 48. Call it 46. This translates into 1,577 white students who've earned that score. For black students in that year, 99.479% scored below that number, meaning that 0.521% score at, or above, the top 5% of white students, or only 11 black students in the entire nation could match the 1,577 white students who scored in the top 5%.

    The numbers after this point start to break down because we don't have the LSAT proprietary percentile rankings to discern how they break down the top 5% into smaller increments. Take note of the ever growing ratio of White:Black as we climb the percentile rank:

    2183 Black test takers
    31,539 white test takers,
    ratio of 14.4475:1

    At the 50th white percentile, the ratio was
    16,770 white test takers
    300 black test takers
    ratio of 55.9:1

    At the 84th percentile, the ratio was
    4,367 white test takers
    51 black test takers
    ratio of 85.62:1

    At the 95th percentile, the ratio was
    1,577 white test takers
    11 black test takers
    ratio of 143.36:1

    What was the mean LSAT score of Harvard Law School back when Obama applied? I don't know because I can't find the data. However, that data is available for more recent classes, so we can use that to guide our analysis.

    Currently, the mean LSAT score for Harvard is 172 from a total score of 180. This puts the mean score at the 98.6 percentile. This means that the mean score of the current Harvard Law class puts them into the top 1.4% of all LSAT test takers.

    In the entire nation in 1990 there were only 11 black LSAT test takers who could match the performance of the top 5% of white test takers. The mean test score of recent Harvard Law students puts them in the top 1.4% of all LSAT test takers.

    If the ratio of white:black for the top 5% was 143:1 and there were only 11 black students who met that threshold, then it approaches a statistical certainty that there were no black students who placed in the top 1.4% of all test takers.

    Of all the black LSAT test takers in 1990, I highly doubt that Obama would have qualified to reach that level if he had sat for the test that year.

    The conclusion that Obama is an affirmative action case is pretty damn strong. He didn't qualify for admission to Harvard Law School based on his grades at Columbia because he never even made honor roll there. It pushes the limits of credibility to suppose that Obama made up for lackluster Columbia grades by knocking his LSAT out of the park. There just aren't that many black students who reach the upper realms of intelligence.

    Conclusion: Obama was admitted because he was black.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post

    The conclusion that Obama is an affirmative action case is pretty damn strong. He didn't qualify for admission to Harvard Law School based on his grades at Columbia because he never even made honor roll there. It pushes the limits of credibility to suppose that Obama made up for lackluster Columbia grades by knocking his LSAT out of the park. There just aren't that many black students who reach the upper realms of intelligence.

    Conclusion: Obama was admitted because he was black.
    Ooo...poor word choice.

    You're conclusion is funny though. I will also add that Maureen Dowd of the NYT seems to think that Obama didn't even put his race on his Harvard application. That's an unexpected turn of events.

    McCain could dismiss W. as a lightweight, but he knows Obama’s smart. Obama wrote his own books, while McCain’s were written by Salter. McCain knows he’s the affirmative action scion of admirals who might not have gotten through Annapolis without being a legacy. Obama didn’t even tell Harvard Law School that he was black on his application.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Seriously, that's all you got? Insult him because of the color of his skin? Even if a black guy is a professor at a top 5 law school, in your eyes he's still just a stupid nigger? Go **** yourself.
    these kinds of threads are the best for finding out who the racists are. they cite all kinds of stats to support their point all the while knowing that elite schools don't just admit students on gpa/honors. A lot of stuff goes into consideration, but they will only consider that race was Obama's in.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Ooo...poor word choice.
    Accurate description of the real world = poor word choice. Thank god I'm not a liberal. Living in purposeful ignorance must really blow.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Accurate description of the real world = poor word choice. Thank god I'm not a liberal. Living in purposeful ignorance must really blow.
    A more accurate statement would replace "intelligence" with "academic achievement" and "aren't that many" with "aren't as many blacks as whites". But I won't expect you to do that - you seem more in favor of the racist side of things.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There just aren't that many black students who reach the upper realms of intelligence.
    OOOOOooo you could of said that a little nicer. Kinda sounds a little racist by generalizing high LSAT scores as a measure of reaching "upper realm of intelligence". More like there just not that many black students that make it the highest percentages of the LSAT scores... for inconclusive reasons. (Your not racist imo, but that even sounded sketchy to me.)

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