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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    put white people through 400 years of slavery and 100 years of segregation and see what their test scores look like.
    I came from a mother who had me at 18 years old. Disgraced by her having a child prior to being married, my grandfather gave her the option to give me up for adoption or leave his household. My mother went with the latter choice, and thus we clearly started with a disadvantage ourselves. Given where I began and where I reached based on hard work, I believe the mention of slavery in modern times is purely an excuse for those lacking ambition.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And so their race made them score lower? Are you saying that black students are mentally inferior due to race?

    Personally I think it's due to culture and lifestyle, not race.

    Fine, if you think that this is a product arising from culture and lifestyle, then what business does society have in intervening in order to modify these results? Secondly, the Discrimination Assumption would be completely unwarranted. If it's not society that is causing the outcomes but the choices of culture and lifestyle, then it becomes unnecessary to blame society for being discriminatory bigots who are oppressing innocent people. In fact, innocent people are being blamed for causing something that is caused by culture and lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Fine, if you think that this is a product arising from culture and lifestyle, then what business does society have in intervening in order to modify these results? Secondly, the Discrimination Assumption would be completely unwarranted. If it's not society that is causing the outcomes but the choices of culture and lifestyle, then it becomes unnecessary to blame society for being discriminatory bigots who are oppressing innocent people. In fact, innocent people are being blamed for causing something that is caused by culture and lifestyle.
    I think it's stupid to lower standards or manipulate results to favor people of a certain race. That is racism and it punishes those who work hard for their grades. However, the fact that blacks may do less well than other races on tests is not a case of correlation=causation. They don't fail or do worse because they are black. If anything I think it may be due to lifestyles and a weaker drive to study and do well academically.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Numbers do not lie. This does not, however, result in implication of inferiority of a race. These results are primarily based on a lack of effort and proper training. Ultimately, this falls on the shoulders of parents. Your shadow follows you, but if you try to follow your shadow then you will get nowhere.
    That is quite the truth..working class parents breed more working class kids...professional parents raise more professionally inclined children...and it works in reverse going down the scale....
    NO one is born inferior intellectually than anyone else...its breeding the sets the course

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's stupid to lower standards or manipulate results to favor people of a certain race. That is racism and it punishes those who work hard for their grades. However, the fact that blacks may do less well than other races on tests is not a case of correlation=causation. They don't fail or do worse because they are black. If anything I think it may be due to lifestyles and a weaker drive to study and do well academically.
    Its home environment and neighborhood environements...the very poor living in slums, ghetttos barrios whateve label you give it have pressures that other more fortunate kids cant even begin to understand....Look im an old white guy...that spent a good portion of my life in the worst neighborhoods of a major city...I saw first hand what some people have to live through and HAVE TO TRY AND OVERCOME it can be overwhelming...try and understand that these inner city kids live in much more dangerous world than suburban and richkids...they have to be aware of what they say who they talk to how they dress where they go...their main goal is not becoming prey of the animals they live amongst....more privledged kids cant even imagine what that pressure does to those kids
    Let me add this...I agree with digsbee lowering standards and giving diplomas away are not the answer....we, us have to do something about the cause the root...the neighborhoods....if we dont, its never going to change...
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its home environment and neighborhood environements...the very poor living in slums, ghetttos barrios whateve label you give it have pressures that other more fortunate kids cant even begin to understand....Look im an old white guy...that spent a good portion of my life in the worst neighborhoods of a major city...I saw first hand what some people have to live through and HAVE TO TRY AND OVERCOME it can be overwhelming...try and understand that these inner city kids live in much more dangerous world than suburban and richkids...they have to be aware of what they say who they talk to how they dress where they go...their main goal is not becoming prey of the animals they live amongst....more privledged kids cant even imagine what that pressure does to those kids
    I know this, I grew up in a poorer neighborhood and my father worked for the government by being a maintenance man for project housing at one time. I grew up in a poorer family but I chose to study hard to try and succeed. I got a good ACT score which earned me scholarships that help pay for school. I come from a poor family. I won't argue that poorer families have a harder time trying to rise up in college because we can't afford it like trust fund children. I fully support PELL grants and need based scholarships. However, I think race based scholarships are unfair and racist.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    put white people through 400 years of slavery and 100 years of segregation and see what their test scores look like.
    been there done that...they're called jews and they still test higher. next excuse
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I know this, I grew up in a poorer neighborhood and my father worked for the government by being a maintenance man for project housing at one time. I grew up in a poorer family but I chose to study hard to try and succeed. I got a good ACT score which earned me scholarships that help pay for school. I come from a poor family. I won't argue that poorer families have a harder time trying to rise up in college because we can't afford it like trust fund children. I fully support PELL grants and need based scholarships. However, I think race based scholarships are unfair and racist.
    Digsbe, with all due respect buddy..I grew up in a poor neighborhood myself...my father was a disabled ww2 vet and never made much money....but trust me when I tell you the neighborhoods im talking about, make ours look like Beverly Hills.....its not even close digsbe..

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's stupid to lower standards or manipulate results to favor people of a certain race. That is racism and it punishes those who work hard for their grades. However, the fact that blacks may do less well than other races on tests is not a case of correlation=causation. They don't fail or do worse because they are black. If anything I think it may be due to lifestyles and a weaker drive to study and do well academically.
    centuries of slavery and segregation created a deeply entrenched culture of self-hatred and low-expectations among the African communities of the Americas. the point of affirmative action was and is to help blacks get ahead in industries and areas where it was shown they suffered from long-standing discrimination. was/is such a policy unfair to whites? perhaps.

    but considering that whites profited from this system of segregation for more than 100 years, Im not sure their complaints now are really valid or should be respected.

    where were the cries of "racism" from whites during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s? they did not exist.

    and the other difference is that Segregation was in place in order to HURT black people, who were seen as inferior.

    while affirmative action is in place to HELP black people, in order to correct the damage done by an institutionalized evil.

    to compare Segregation to Affirmative Action is pathetic & disgusting.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    centuries of slavery and segregation created a deeply entrenched culture of self-hatred and low-expectations among the African communities of the Americas. the point of affirmative action was and is to help blacks get ahead in industries and areas where it was shown they suffered from long-standing discrimination. was/is such a policy unfair to whites? perhaps.

    but considering that whites profited from this system of segregation for more than 100 years, Im not sure their complaints now are really valid or should be respected.

    where were the cries of "racism" from whites during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s? they did not exist.

    and the other difference is that Segregation was in place in order to HURT black people, who were seen as inferior.

    while affirmative action is in place to HELP black people, in order to correct the damage done by an institutionalized evil.

    to compare Segregation to Affirmative Action is pathetic & disgusting.
    No, affirmative action is racist and gives qualified individuals not of African decent a disadvantage when it comes to education and jobs. Affirmative action had it's place, and now it is no longer needed.

    Do you support punishing entire races of people based on the actions of some of their ancestors? This is racism. It's a poison in American culture to not treat people as individuals but as members of a race/culture. I never compared segregation with affirmative action, but affirmative action is racist and discriminates. It's no worse than some backwater hick who only wants to hire white people and refuses to hire blacks purely based on race. We need to move away from racial classification and go towards individualism and merits.


    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Digsbe, with all due respect buddy..I grew up in a poor neighborhood myself...my father was a disabled ww2 vet and never made much money....but trust me when I tell you the neighborhoods im talking about, make ours look like Beverly Hills.....its not even close digsbe..
    Middle class neighborhoods? I've seen terrible neighborhoods up in DC where I used to live and I'll agree that suburbia is like Beverly Hills compared to the projects and poorer neighborhoods.
    Last edited by digsbe; 08-15-11 at 06:43 PM.
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