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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Most law schools don't release their admissions data. The University of Arizona law school and the University of Nebraska are exceptions. Look at these charts:





    IN all cases the lowest 25% of white applicants scored higher than the highest 25% of black applicants. In 2007, there is NO OVERLAP between black and Asian/white scores. Not a single Asian/white applicant scored as low as the highest scoring black applicant
    So the question becomes... are the scores lower because the black applicants did not have equal access or opportunity to quality education? I think MistressNomad pointed out that was the likely case. Now... what we don't have are LSAT results from the same groups of kids, of different ethnic backgrounds which went to the same schools.

    I've basically seen two major arguments that explain such results:

    1.) That blacks and minorities do not have access to quality educational schools, therefore their standardized tests are lower than others.
    2.) That standardized tests are racially biased, therefore do not take into account the diversity of the students taking the tests which cause the student to make mistakes, whereas if the questions took into account the racial differences, the students tests scores would be higher.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Point #1 Blacks are no longer oppressed.

    Blacks who earn a Master's degree have almost identical incomes to Whites. Blacks who earn doctorates are earning incomes on par with Whites.



    For every additional year of schooling, blacks earn a higher wage premium than whites.



    When all factors are held equal, wage discrimination based on race disappeared back in the 1970s.

    The Myth of Racial Discrimination in Pay in the United States

    The analyses of the General Social Survey data from 1974 to 2000 replicate earlier findings from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth that racial disparity in earnings disappears once cognitive ability is controlled for. The results are robust across many alternative specifications, and further show that blacks receive significantly greater returns to their cognitive ability than nonblacks. The trend data show that there was no sign of racial discrimination in the United States as early as 1970s. The analyses call into question the necessity of and justification for preferential treatment of ethnic minorities.

    2.) Yes. The data, otherwise known as the real world, shows this beyond dispute. Why else do you think that we have programs designed to equalize outcomes across race?
    So in other words, if blacks had the same education and background as whites, they would make the same. WOW! That's great. You get alot of these sources over at Stormfront?
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    I've basically seen two major arguments that explain such results:

    1.) That blacks and minorities do not have access to quality educational schools, therefore their standardized tests are lower than others.
    2.) That standardized tests are racially biased, therefore do not take into account the diversity of the students taking the tests which cause the student to make mistakes, whereas if the questions took into account the racial differences, the students tests scores would be higher.
    I am pretty sure it is some of both(more the former than the latter more recently), plus a few other factors, such as overall environment(blacks tend to live in poorer neighborhoods, which is, well, not a good environment to learn or excel in much in. It really strikes me as something of a viscous circle type problem. Black kids don't get the education they need due to being poor and the results, so they get ****ty jobs, so their kids don't get the education, and so on. It would also be probably more true to use the word poor in place of blacks. It's a problem of being poor, not of race.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So in other words, if blacks had the same education and background as whites, they would make the same. WOW! That's great. You get alot of these sources over at Stormfront?
    thank you......


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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So the question becomes... are the scores lower because the black applicants did not have equal access or opportunity to quality education? I think MistressNomad pointed out that was the likely case.
    Yes, she pointed that out and I refuted her claim by posting a study which looked at the educational outcomes of a massive social experiment which moved thousands of poor black families out of bad neighborhoods and installed them in solid middle class neighborhoods, neighborhoods with schools which lacked no resources, and the result was that there was no improvement, years later, in the educational outcomes of the black students.

    We see this all over the place. Here is Princeton High School,

    Several months after Blake graduated, Princeton High School (and thus the district as a whole) ran afoul of the statute for the first time, based on the lagging scores of African-American students on a standardized English test given to 11th graders. Last month, the school was cited for the second year in a row, this time because 37 percent of black students failed to meet standards in English, and 55 percent of blacks and 40 percent of Hispanics failed in math. One of the standard complaints about No Child Left Behind by its critics in public education is that it punishes urban schools that are chronically under financed and already contending with a concentration of poor, nonwhite, bilingual and special-education pupils. Princeton could hardly be more different. It is an Ivy League town with a minority population of slightly more than 10 percent and per-student spending well above the state average. The high school sends 94 percent of its graduates to four-year colleges and offers 29 different Advanced Placement courses. Over all, 98 percent of Princeton High School students exceed the math and English standards required by No Child Left Behind.

    This phenomenon is seen all across the country and across all socioeconomic groups. Here is a black Harvard economics professor talking about the school his own children attend:

    Yet whites and blacks taking similar level courses report that they spend the same time on homework. It is just that the results are different: 38 percent of whites who spend two hours on homework nightly get all their work done; only 20 percent of blacks spending two hours finish their homework — the Gap.

    It would be politically convenient for Professor Ferguson, a black man raising his two children plus a nephew in a Boston suburb, if the Gap could be explained away by economics.

    It cannot. When he controls for income, half the Gap persists. Among the richest families, blacks average B+, whites A-. How to explain it?

    I've basically seen two major arguments that explain such results:

    1.) That blacks and minorities do not have access to quality educational schools, therefore their standardized tests are lower than others.
    2.) That standardized tests are racially biased, therefore do not take into account the diversity of the students taking the tests which cause the student to make mistakes, whereas if the questions took into account the racial differences, the students tests scores would be higher.
    Point #1. - Answered above.
    Point #2. - Tests being racially biased has long ago been addressed. Even the academic critics who pointed this out 30 years ago now concede that this is no longer the case. This is now an old-wive's tale which seems to have a half-life that approximates the age of the universe.

    Further, research is now quite clear that the SAT OVERPREDICTS black performance.

    Differential Validity and Prediction of the SAT

    As for gender by ethnicity analyses, the SAT overpredicted African American students’ FYGPAs; however, overprediction was greater for African American males, with mean residuals ranging from -0.24 to -0.20 compared to African American females, with mean residuals ranging from -0.13 to -0.04 for the 1994 version of the SAT.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So in other words, if blacks had the same education and background as whites, they would make the same. WOW! That's great. You get alot of these sources over at Stormfront?
    Who polices the police and who moderates the mods?

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    The racism is strong in this thread. Ignorant, pathetic, irrational racism.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am pretty sure it is some of both(more the former than the latter more recently), plus a few other factors, such as overall environment(blacks tend to live in poorer neighborhoods, which is, well, not a good environment to learn or excel in much in. It really strikes me as something of a viscous circle type problem. Black kids don't get the education they need due to being poor and the results, so they get ****ty jobs, so their kids don't get the education, and so on. It would also be probably more true to use the word poor in place of blacks. It's a problem of being poor, not of race.
    When I retired and moved to jersey for a few years I worked in an alternative high school as security. I can only tell you what I know and that is that none of the kids in the 3 yrs I worked there made the truance level, meaning they all missed more days then was allowed to move to the next grade or graduate...no one cared...when they were busted with drugs, no one cared the police werent called they werent suspended or tossed out...why? money each student in jersey has a dollar figure.
    The graduation test was a joke...they piled all the kids they could get to attend in a hall 2 days before the test and gave them the answers...went over each question and told them the answer..and still most of them failed. The end result they GAVE them diplomas I asked the principle why...his answer was to give them a chance....The saddest part is that the alternative school was hailed a huge success for guess what...its graduation rates...thats why theres pictures on Mcdonalds registers instead of numbers...

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am pretty sure it is some of both(more the former than the latter more recently), plus a few other factors, such as overall environment(blacks tend to live in poorer neighborhoods, which is, well, not a good environment to learn or excel in much in. It really strikes me as something of a viscous circle type problem. Black kids don't get the education they need due to being poor and the results, so they get ****ty jobs, so their kids don't get the education, and so on. It would also be probably more true to use the word poor in place of blacks. It's a problem of being poor, not of race.
    You're pretty sure of that are you? On the basis of what? Your intuition? Your sense of how the world SHOULD operate?

    How about testing your hypothesis?

    The Kansas City Experiment:


    For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, "You can't solve educational problems by throwing money at them." The education establishment and its supporters have replied, "No one's ever tried." In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no-object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.

    Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil--more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.

    The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.

    The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.

    The black-white IQ gap shows up by the age of 3. This isn't society causing the problem.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The racism is strong in this thread. Ignorant, pathetic, irrational racism.
    The Inconvenient Truth is now racism? What did Al Gore call climate change skeptics? Oh yeah, deniers. Like Holocaust deniers. What should we call people who deny reality and fling about unsubstantiated charges of racism? How about liberals.

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