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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    semantics. he taught Law for 12 years at the University of Chicago Law School.

    did they let him teach for 12 years because he was darker than a brown paper bag?

    he filled a quota and had been the first black president of the HLR.



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...I said he would not have been accepted into harvard law if he had been white since his grades were way below what white males who were normally rejected at a rate of 95% had (under 3.7)
    you are speculating that only two factors were taken into account when deciding if he would be accepted into Harvard Law:

    1. his grades.

    2. his race.

    do you have ANY evidence to back up this view of yours?

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    he filled a quota and had been the first black president of the HLR.
    while the bias of this article is obvious this is a funny take on Obama

    Chicago Law School faculty hated Obama

    I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about "Barry." Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn't even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn't have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

    The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).

    Consider this: 1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 possibly to escape charges that he "fibbed" on his bar application. ...

    4. A senior lecturer is one thing. A fully ranked law professor is another. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, "Obama did NOT 'hold the title' of a University of Chicago law school professor". Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

    5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

    6. "He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't know and you make pronouncements that it exists?
    OK now you're just trolling. I ask again? What is the definition of racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    racism is the idea that one race is smarter or better in some way than another race..or that another race is inferior.

    affirmative action made no such claims, therefore it was not racist.

    was it discriminatory? that's a different story.
    Pretty much. Affirmative action--boy, that's a tough one. I understand what it's trying to do, but aren't there better ways of going at it? But is our White-dominated society (and I'm very sorry to those who deny that fact, but even as a White person, I have no qualms coming clean about this), is it ready for those better ways?

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    OK now you're just trolling. I ask again? What is the definition of racism?



    Pretty much. Affirmative action--boy, that's a tough one. I understand what it's trying to do, but aren't there better ways of going at it? But is our White-dominated society (and I'm very sorry to those who deny that fact, but even as a White person, I have no qualms coming clean about this), is it ready for those better ways?
    affirmative action is racist from two different perspectives

    the first perspective is that punishing more qualified white, jewish or asian applicants because at one time blacks were oppressed is racist because people are being punished or rewarded based on their race rather whether or not they victimized or were once victims of past racial discrimination

    more insidious AA is racist because its underlying premise is that blacks are not capable of making normal standards for acceptance into elite schools or competitive jobs without lowering their standards. that is the real racism of affirmative action and the stigma it imposes.



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Thank you--points I can actually address.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    affirmative action is racist from two different perspectives

    the first perspective is that punishing more qualified white, jewish or asian applicants because at one time blacks were oppressed is racist because people are being punished or rewarded based on their race rather whether or not they victimized or were once victims of past racial discrimination
    1. Are you suggesting that Blacks are no longer oppressed?
    2. Are you suggesting that Whites, Jews, and Asians are more qualified on average?

    more insidious AA is racist because its underlying premise is that blacks are not capable of making normal standards for acceptance into elite schools or competitive jobs without lowering their standards. that is the real racism of affirmative action and the stigma it imposes.
    Actually that is not true. Affirmative action's goal is to increase the probability of racial minorities gaining access to educational and employment opportunities that their White counterparts are assumed to have greater access to due solely to their race.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Actually that is not true. Affirmative action's goal is to increase the probability of racial minorities gaining access to educational and employment opportunities that their White counterparts are assumed to have greater access to due solely to their race.
    Funny, one's goal can be drastically different then what it actually turns out to be in practice...

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Oh I know what the goal supposedly is

    let me close with a question

    if a black knows all he needs to get into his first choice of a college, law school or medical school is say a B average when whites need A averages, why is he going to bust his ass to get an A average when he can coast and get B's

    and since it is well known that affirmative action has lead blacks with far lower scores to get admitted what happens to a black doctor who really earned his way into Harvard Medical school? I bet many potential patients wonder if he really deserved to be there

    when I was in college I attended a meeting of undergrads who had been nominated for several scholarships (Rhodes, Danforth and Marshalls) to speak with Yale grad students who had won said scholarships. One man in that room was a medical student-a black guy with a rhodes. Now several people near me were making comments like "yeah I wonder how that guy got into Yale med" or "how did he get a rhodes".

    well I later ran into that fellow and he approached me since he remembered me in the meeting and we started talking. turns out he was Phi beta Kappa at princeton, was an all american athlete and during the summers he worked at a inner city hospital helping drug overdose victims etc. he was the most qualified guy in that entire room and had the best credentials of the 15 or so Rhodes scholars I know. yet all his life people are going to think he got into that medical school because he was black. and that is why affirmative action really sucks



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    FWIW, I never actually said that Affirmative Action is a good thing. I'm just debating with you guys on what its purpoted goal is.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    FWIW, I never actually said that Affirmative Action is a good thing. I'm just debating with you guys on what its purpoted goal is.
    It's purported goal was changed with the Bakke v. Univ. of Calif. decision. Remediation of past wrongs done to African Americans is no longer legally valid. The only legitimate purpose of AA is to increase diversity because the faddish theory that the Supreme Court bought in to was that diversity is good for education.

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