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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Just to be clear, what I am referring to is descendents of slaves. And lingering effects of selective breeding from that period.
    That's fine. Recent immigrants from Africa and from the Caribbean outperform native born African-Americans but that's due to selection effect - it's the brain drain from Africa to America - we're getting African physicians, engineers and scientists, so of course this small select group does better than the population as a whole.

    African immigrants do very well in the US, so that pretty much blows the discrimination theory all to shreds:

    African immigrants in the United States are generally more educated and earn larger salaries compared to people from other continents, but their success depends on what country they come from, according to a new report.

    The study was conducted by Kefa M. Otiso, a professor of Geography at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. Otiso said the project, which draws data from the 2000 U.S. Census, began “just out of curiosity” by comparing Kenya and Ghana. During the Kenyan Diaspora investment forum in Atlanta, Ga., in March, Otiso presented his findings in a report on how Kenyan immigrants were doing economically. They did surprisingly better when compared to the general U.S. population, the report showed then.

    It was out of that realization that Otiso decided to examine immigrants from other African countries to see how they compared against each other and the U.S. general population, he said. The data showed that 75 percent of African immigrants come from 12 of 54 countries namely, Nigeria, Egypt, Ghana, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya, Liberia, Somalia, Morocco, Cape Verde, Sierra Leone and Sudan.

    “The more I learned, the more I realized that although we come from the same continent and have a lot of similarities, we are very different,” Otiso said.

    Overall, Africans immigrants performed better than the rest of the U.S. population in education and employment, the report shows. For instance, the rate of Africans with an undergraduate degree and above was 43 percent, compared to 24 percent among general U.S. population.

    In fact, liberals in academia who are so caught up in the facile reputation game embedded within the whole diversity fad purposely seek out such students in order to bolster their institution's statistical profiles and earn bragging rights:

    Study #1


    A new study has found that among high school graduates, “immigrant blacks” -- defined as those who immigrated to the United States or their children -- are significantly more likely than other black Americans to attend selective colleges. In fact, immigrant black Americans are more likely than white students to attend such colleges.

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    While about 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Lani Guinier, a Harvard law professor, and Henry Louis Gates Jr., the chairman of Harvard's African and African-American studies department, pointed out that the majority of them — perhaps as many as two-thirds — were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.

    Globally, as far as I know, genetic differences are environmentally explainable and statistically neutral.
    Nice qualification there. You're wrong on both points. I guess what you don't know is really limiting your understanding.

    The only actual genetic factor that I think is statistically relevant is intellect. The difference between the very smart and the least smart is FAR more significant than any racial variance.And I think geniuses pop up pretty evenly dispersed amongst the various racial subsets, allowing for external factors (inbreeding for instance).
    Sweet Jaysus, is this what's it's like to walk around in a liberal bubble where reality has been so deformed by liberal propaganda that you actually end up believing the agitprop?

    Do you have an inkling of how small the Jewish population is in terms of the world population? The following is an astounding falsification of your creationist belief-set:

    At least 181 Jews and people of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 22% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2010, and constituting 36% of all US recipients2 during the same period.3 In the research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Physics, and Physiology/Medicine, the corresponding world and US percentages are 26% and 39%, respectively. Among women laureates in the four research fields, the Jewish percentages (world and US) are 38% and 50%, respectively. Of organizations awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, 25% were founded principally by Jews or by people of half-Jewish descent. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Obama got into harvard law because he was black.
    It would be easier to believe you if he didn't go on to become President of the HLR and then a professor for 12 years at UofC where he was offered tenure multiple times.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    My work is FULL of African immigrants who are engineers, PEs, etc. Much fewer African-Americans with long American history.

    clearly, centuries of slavery and then segregation has had an effect on the abilities of African-Americans..but has NOT effected their brethren born in Africa.

    could 500 years of slavery and segregation effect the genes of these people? doubt it. but it sure can effect their traditions, upbringing, culture, etc etc.

    in high school I remember hearing about black kids insulting their black friends for doing well on tests. they were accused of trying to "be white".

    this is a cultural thing, not a genetic thing. and it seems to not effect their native-African brethren.
    The four hundred years of slavery is plenty to have a genetic impact where people are bred like animals.

    Personality traits like ambition would be selected out. Docility, complacency would be selected in. I can't imagine a slave owner wanting a genius new slave to breed. Or a natural engineer. Anyone he might tend to find equal or superior to himself. Easier for him to convince himself he's superior in order to justify owning slaves.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Some black scholars have argued that the term "African-American" should refer strictly to the descendents of West or Central African slaves and free people of color who survived the slavery-era, and not the sons and daughters of black immigrants who lack that ancestry.[151] The argument being that grouping all blacks together regardless of their unique ancestral circumstances would inevitably deny the lingering effects of slavery with in the American slave descendent community, in addition to denying black immigrants recognition of their own unique ancestral backgrounds.

    In the book The End of Blackness published by author Debra Dickerson, she warned against drawing favorable cultural implications from upwardly mobile black immigrants who are not the sons and daughters of American slavery and racial segregation. She used the political rise of President Barack Obama, who is the son of a Kenyan immigrant, a result of "Lumping us all together,"[152] Dickerson claimed it, "erases the significance of slavery and continuing racism while giving the appearance of progress." On the liberal website Salon Dickerson wrote, "African-American", in our political and social vocabulary, means those descended from West African slaves".

    African American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    looks like I'm not alone in my view.
    it's a normative belief. It's just an opinion. Barack Obama isn't not an African-American simply because some black scholars decided that the term should be redefined. Barack obama is an American. He is also of African descent through his father. That's African-American enough for me.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The four hundred years of slavery is plenty to have a genetic impact where people are bred like animals.

    Personality traits like ambition would be selected out. Docility, complacency would be selected in. I can't imagine a slave owner wanting a genius new slave to breed. Or a natural engineer. Anyone he might tend to find equal or superior to himself. Easier for him to convince himself he's superior in order to justify owning slaves.
    at the same time, one must be very strong and have a strong will to live to survive the northwest passage.

    and the same qualities to survive the hard-labor of slavery.

    so yes, intelligence was not a required trait for slavery.

    is it possible slavery, segregation, single-parenthood, and even welfare has helped breed a sub-set of Africans that are very strong but on average less intelligent?

    what a horrible thought.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It would be easier to believe you if he didn't go on to become President of the HLR and then a professor for 12 years at UofC where he was offered tenure multiple times.
    ..some would have us believe that this was all out of sympathy for his being half-black.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    prove it.

    what was his LSAT score? what was his undergrad GPA?
    well to graduate with honors at columbia he needed a 3.3 or higher and he didn't make that. Thus we can conclude without any contradiction he had below a 3.3. To graduate with distinction in his major he would need 2/3 As with a A on the final paper or exam or 3/4 As with a B on the final test or paper and he didn't achieve that either.

    Even with a perfect LSAT score his chances of getting into Harvard Law as a white male with a sub 3.3 GPA and no significant extra curricular activity (like a Medal of Honor, a Rhodes scholarship or say an olympic gold medal) was essentially zero



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It would be easier to believe you if he didn't go on to become President of the HLR and then a professor for 12 years at UofC where he was offered tenure multiple times.

    how you do at Harvard really had no relevance as to your application when you applied

    I mentioned that my first year roommate was the highest scoring applicant to yale the year I went there

    perfect SAT scores valedictorian at one of the oldest prep schools in the USA with the highest scores in the history of that place plus he took a national math test and cleaned it-first time ever. He flunked out of Yale because he had become a coke fiend. Using your tortured logic, Yale should not have let him in because he later flunked out



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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ..some would have us believe that this was all out of sympathy for his being half-black.
    Oh, so now he's half black?
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, so now he's half black?
    his father was black. his mother was white.

    that makes him at least genetically speaking, half-black.

    is this a problem for you?

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