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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh I believe I'm smarter than Bush, and I question whether he had the intellectual firepower to be president. But that's not to say he was stupid...I think he was considerably smarter than the average person. I just think that the president should be truly exceptional, rather than merely smart.
    Bush had a truckload of common sense. Something Obama is seriously lacking.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    2183 Black test takers
    31,539 white test takers,
    ratio of 14.4475:1

    At the 50th white percentile, the ratio was
    16,770 white test takers
    300 black test takers
    ratio of 55.9:1

    At the 84th percentile, the ratio was
    4,367 white test takers
    51 black test takers
    ratio of 85.62:1

    At the 95th percentile, the ratio was
    1,577 white test takers
    11 black test takers
    ratio of 143.36:1

    A ratio of 14.5 to 1 for those sitting for the LSAT ends up growing to 143:1 for those who score in the top 5%.

    That's not meaningful to you? A 143 to 1 ratio is just discarded as an Inconvenient Truth.
    So I guess the conclusion must be that black people are genetically more dumb than white people - better close down the schools in those colored neighborhoods.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Obama is a helluva smart than most of the people in the world.
    Thats because "most peop-e in the world" live in grass huts with dirt floors - and, if lucky, are educated to the point where they can hold their own with the average American that made it past 2nd grade.
    Thus, your claim here, even if true, means nothing.

    How many people can graduate from Harvard Law, become a senator, then a president?
    GWB's resume looks pretty good. Are you smarter than him?
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    For everyone who is not a creationist, all the evidence points to this outcome. I'm not a creationist.

    So tell me, what invisible force has stopped evolutionary processes from taking place above the neck considering that the human species has occupied many thousands of micro-environments over tens of thousands of years which have produced untold variation on a number of human metrics. What stopped mutation, drift and selection from working?
    Not being a creationist doesn't mean the non-creationist has the slightest idea about genetics. Educational statistics don't point towards any genetic predisposition whatsoever because of numerous other variables that come into play.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh I believe I'm smarter than Bush, and I question whether he had the intellectual firepower to be president. But that's not to say he was stupid...I think he was considerably smarter than the average person. I just think that the president should be truly exceptional, rather than merely smart.
    Reagan? Ike? Nixon? GWHB?
    FDR? Truman? Lincoln?
    Were any of these "truly exceptional", in context?
    Just curious.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bush had a truckload of common sense....
    now THAT....is funny!!!!


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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Sure is. Question is, why's it there?

    Well, here's one pretty strong contender.
    Stereotype threat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thanks for being predictable. I should have stated at the outset that I was expecting someone to lay this mostly debunked turd into this thread.

    Stereotype threat works only in a very narrow set of circumstances. This is how it works:

    A test is given to a wide range of students.
    Some students are given information that other students are not given.
    The information given to the chosen students is that this test will measure the notion that they live up to the stereotype that is attached to them.
    The introduction of this new information does negatively influence the performance of the student against the performance of the students who were not given the information.

    The upshot is that the Black-White test gap is still present but when Black students are told that the test is being used to measure how they compare to White students, those Black students who were told this information perform worse than the black students were not told this information. You can substitute any category for black student - women and emotion, women and strength, men and aggression, men and sexism, etc. Where ever there is a stereotype and people are told that a test will measure whether the stereotype is true this puts these students under a greater load of anxiety.

    NONE OF THIS has anything to do with the LSAT or other standardized tests.

    Testing environments that attempt to erase the stereotype threat see a near-complete closure of testing score gaps.
    Bull****. Prove it.

    Sacket, et al.


    On Interpreting Stereotype Threat as Accounting for African American–White Differences on Cognitive Tests

    C. M. Steele and J. Aronson (1995) showed that making race salient when taking a difficult test affected the performance of high-ability African American students, a phenomenon they termed stereotype threat. The authors document that this research is widely misinterpreted in both popular and scholarly publications as showing that eliminating stereotype threat eliminates the African American–White difference in test performance. In fact, scores were statistically adjusted for differences in students’ prior SAT performance, and thus, Steele and Aronson’s findings actually showed that absent stereotype threat, the two groups differ to the degree that would be expected based on differences in prior SAT scores. The authors caution against interpreting the Steele and Aronson experiment as evidence that stereotype threat is the primary cause of African American–White differences in test performance.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Reagan? Ike? Nixon? GWHB?
    FDR? Truman? Lincoln?
    Were any of these "truly exceptional", in context?
    Just curious.
    I think most of them were extremely intelligent people, yes.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So I guess the conclusion must be that black people are genetically more dumb than white people - better close down the schools in those colored neighborhoods.
    Not at all, but thanks for going into hyperbole overdrive when confronted with facts which contradict your creationist worldview.

    Loot at the LSAT distribution by race. There were 300 black test takers in the US who scored better than 50% of white students. To the degree that the LSAT is a proxy for intelligence, these test takers were more intelligent than 50% of the white test takers. There were 51 black test takers who were more intelligent than 84% of all the white test takers in that year.

    We're dealing with overlapping distributions here, not absolutes. Do you not realize that? Quite clearly those blacks who did well on the LSAT were more intelligent than the whites who didn't score as high as them.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    That isn't strictly true. There is a stereotype threat present in the way teachers act, and the way students act towards each other. It's an underlying thing. They can exaggerate the results by bringing it to the fore, and minimize them by saying they will only be tested against other black students. But the effect is there regardless.

    All you've done is explain the parameters for getting clear results. It doesn't change the fact that when certain suggestions are given, the gap shrinks.

    Unfortunately, it can't make up for differences in educational environment and other factors which I also mentioned, and which is the premise on which you supposedly think the stereotype threat is "debunked." Those differences have nothing to do with black peoples' intelligence, but rather their access to education up to that point.

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