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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Given from where Obama came from and to where he has gone to, I expect Obama is smarter then me

    He certainly is more driven and achieved a higher level of academic achievement. The academic achievement while not always an indicator of intelligence, in this case I would say it is
    Considering that Bush went to the same school.
    Considering that Harvard has a history of letting people in that have no business going there
    Considering that they have history of giving grades that aren't earned.

    the education provided there loses credibility.

    Considering that the rest of his life outside of getting an award at Harvard is unremarkable.
    Considering his grades during school elsewhere where C's.
    I wouldn't call his life remarkable or his drive worthy of note.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is another reason why I think intelligence is so difficult to measure - people can be very "intelligent" in completely different areas.
    This seems like veiled reference to the debunked notion of Multiple Intelligences that was put forth by Howard Gardner.

    The problem with this view is that these "multiple intelligences" are all, pretty much, interrelated to one another. It's like arguing that someone is good at tip-toeing and someone else is good at creeping, and someone else is good at walking briskly - these 3 distinct activities are not all that distinct and they all are a function of walking. The variation seen between the 3 activities is mostly noise in the system. So for Gardner's model, all of the multiple intelligences he specified were a function of g, a measure of centralized intelligence. They weren't really multiple intelligences, just different facets of g. But man, oh, man, do people still cling to that viewpoint.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is this any different than when die hard Bush Bashers accused Bush of being a idiot?
    Honestly, I think I could CRUSH Bush at Jeopardy. Unless the categories were all sports.

    Obama, not so much.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Here's news for you:

    Geology is also subject to a long standing debate and there are people who think that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. The fact that lay-people uneducated in the particulars of psychometrics and intelligence are debating the issue of how reliable and valid IQ tests are as a measure of intelligence tells us as much about the question as the fact that Young Earth Creationists debate the age of the Earth tells us about the geologic "debate" on the age of the Earth.
    /cool story bro

    There is no debate on IQ tests any longer within the professions that study intelligence. The professionals who deal with these issues day in and day out, in all of the nitty-gritty details, are all on board and even those who have a philosophical axe to grind can't overcome the mountains of evidence which go against their philosophy.
    Actually, there is a debate and it's been getting bigger ever since standardized tests became the ass crack of the American education system.

    The role of genetics in the black-white IQ gap has been particularly controversial. The question regarding this in the survey asked "Which of the following best characterizes your opinion of the heritability of black-white differences in IQ?" Amongst the 661 returned questionnaires, 14% declined to answer the question, 24% voted that there was insufficient evidence to give an answer, 1% voted that the gap was "due entirely to genetic variation", 15% voted that it "due entirely to environmental variation" and 45% voted that it was a "product of genetic and environmental variation". According to Snyderman and Rothman, this contrasts greatly with the coverage of these views as represented in the media, where the reader is led to draw the conclusion that "only a few maverick 'experts' support the view that genetic variation plays a significant role in individual or group difference, while the vast majority of experts believe that such differences are purely the result of environmental factors."[/INDENT]
    So what is you're argument? Black people are genetically more stupid than white people?

    I didn't write that the LSAT was a test which strictly measured intelligence, I wrote that it's a good enough proxy for such a test. It gets it right in the broad strokes but because it's a proxy it will get muddled in the fine strokes.
    Unless blacks are overwhelming scoring 5s on the LSAT, the difference isn't that meaningful to me.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Honestly, I think I could CRUSH Bush at Jeopardy. Unless the categories were all sports.

    Obama, not so much.
    Obama: Alex, Numbers please for $500.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    You don't become president by being a dummy, period. Even George W. Bush was probably well above average in terms of intelligence.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There we go... you don't disappoint!
    Do you disagree? Would you deny that a standardized test written in the US would have different cultural references than ones written in India or South Africa?

    What culture do 2nd, 3rd generation African American's have other than American culture?
    The link you pointed to was talking about Hispanics and I would apply the cultural bias theory to them and other populations with high amounts of immigrants. Like I said, my original comment wasn't about cultural bias at all, so read that and get back to me.

    I thought that was the whole point of the standardized test - to identify the retention and educational level of the student. Isn't that the whole point?
    The standardized test is meant to measure certain skills and abilities - many of these skills are acquired through education. But you still haven't addressed the fact that students who get lower quality education will tend to do worse than those who get higher quality education. In other words, a student A in a poor school and environment may be just as able to retain information as a student B in a great school and environment. However, the poor situation for student A makes him perform lower than student B - this does not mean that student A is less intelligent than student B.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, there is a debate and it's been getting bigger ever since standardized tests became the ass crack of the American education system.
    Pray tell, what exactly is the nature of the debate. All I see being debated is that some people don't like the results that are produced because the results contradict what people expect to arise from a creationist worldview.

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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So 53% of you think you're as smart or smarter than a law professor from a top 5 law school... So at least half the people on this board are like supreme court justices, major inventors, rhodes scholars, NASA scientists, etc? Who knew!?
    Actually, from my experience, most of the posters here are what I call "faster pussycats". Individuals with above average tool sets. Confluences of nature and nurture that resulted in individuals equipped to compete.

    Intellect and education are not the same thing, but they do interact synergetically.

    Obama's intelligent, and educated. But I honestly wouldn't put his raw intellect much above that of the average poster here. Pretty bright bunch, our regulars.

    Stubborn as hell, but it goes with the territory.
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    Re: Are you smarter than The Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Pray tell, what exactly is the nature of the debate. All I see being debated is that some people don't like the results that are produced because the results contradict what people expect to arise from a creationist worldview.
    I asked you first: do you think that blacks are genetically predisposed to being less intelligent than whites?

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