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Thread: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your own side has proven that the rich don't benefit much from government. If they did, your dear leader would have noted that everyone will sacrifice due to cuts to government programs.
    No we've shown how you benefit from government in various ways, you just choose to ignore the evidence in favor of your biases.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yet the rich pay more of the income tax burden now than they did at any other time since the FDR nonsnese. what does that mean? it means everyone else is paying a lot less too
    Nice attempt at spin, the rich pay more than previously, because they make more than previously. That still doesn't change the documented fact that "effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."
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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    I don't know how I bother to keep repeating this point, since I know Turtledude and the other free-market extremists will simply dismiss this point without providing evidence to counter it, but the fact remains capitalism is and always has been supported by state violence directed against the poor, either explicit or implied. Without a strong central state to protect it, it is impossible to have capitalism. There aren't very many capitalists in Somalia.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    I don't know how I bother to keep repeating this point, since I know Turtledude and the other free-market extremists will simply dismiss this point without providing evidence to counter it, but the fact remains capitalism is and always has been supported by state violence directed against the poor, either explicit or implied. Without a strong central state to protect it, it is impossible to have capitalism. There aren't very many capitalists in Somalia.
    Good point, well put

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    No we've shown how you benefit from government in various ways, you just choose to ignore the evidence in favor of your biases.
    No you haven't. You have made assertions and cited opinions that don't prove that. You can prove some rich people received some benefits but you have never ever come close to proving that the 100 Million plus of net tax consumers use less than the 1% who pay billions upon billions of taxes.

    You just choose to ignore reality in order to wage a dishonest class warfare



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    I don't know how I bother to keep repeating this point, since I know Turtledude and the other free-market extremists will simply dismiss this point without providing evidence to counter it, but the fact remains capitalism is and always has been supported by state violence directed against the poor, either explicit or implied. Without a strong central state to protect it, it is impossible to have capitalism. There aren't very many capitalists in Somalia.
    Nature has always been "violent" against the untalented and unproductive. You justify a system that appeals to failure.



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nice attempt at spin, the rich pay more than previously, because they make more than previously. That still doesn't change the documented fact that "effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."
    Why do you dishonestly rant about tax rates rather than admit that the rich pay more of the tax burden now than they have in the past?

    and why do you constantly pretend that the rich don't pay their fair share when there is no objective evidence supporting that faith based myth?



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Why do you dishonestly rant about tax rates rather than admit that the rich pay more of the tax burden now than they have in the past?

    and why do you constantly pretend that the rich don't pay their fair share when there is no objective evidence supporting that faith based myth?
    As has been documented, the top 20% already own 85% of the country's wealth.

    Here's today's working class after 3 decades of trickle down economics:



    Suck away Turtledude, suck away..............see just how much more blood you can suck from the working class and the poor.
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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Why do you dishonestly rant about tax rates rather than admit that the rich pay more of the tax burden now than they have in the past?

    and why do you constantly pretend that the rich don't pay their fair share when there is no objective evidence supporting that faith based myth?
    I have used the statement: "the wealthy do not pay their fair share" as much as you have used: "the wealthy pay more than their fair share"

    Clearly, we differ on what a fair share means

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