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Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

Who benefits the most?

  • Rich.

    Votes: 29 78.4%

  • Poor.

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Total voters
    37
I think it's a sad commentary about our concept of government, that a question like this is even being asked.
 
American said:
I think it's a sad commentary about our concept of government, that a question like this is even being asked.
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the parasite support team has to find ways to hide their real motivations for taxing the rich even more. They do this by pretending that the one percent that pays 40% of the income tax and all the surcharge on wealth called the death or estate taxes use more than 40% of the government services.
 
TurtleDude said:
the parasite support team has to find ways to hide their real motivations for taxing the rich even more. They do this by pretending that the one percent that pays 40% of the income tax and all the surcharge on wealth called the death or estate taxes use more than 40% of the government services.
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They should pay just because of all the excess oxygen they waste whining, yanno the same 1% that have all the money and get it by milking the rest of us...the wails of pain falls on deaf ears
 
lpast said:
The should pay just because of all the excess oxygen they waste whining, yanno the same 1% that have all the money and get it buy milking the ones that dont....sorry falls on deaf ears
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anyone want to try to figure out what Ipast is wasting oxygen about?
 
TurtleDude said:
anyone want to try to figure out what Ipast is wasting oxygen about?
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Not a very good comeback counselor you just used my ingenuity in describing your forlorn wails which are quite redundant and stale...
 
lpast said:
Not a very good comeback counselor you just used my ingenuity in describing your forlorn wails which are quite redundant and stale...
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Your own side has proven that the rich don't benefit much from government. If they did, your dear leader would have noted that everyone will sacrifice due to cuts to government programs.
 
Catawba said:
The top ten percent pay a lesser percentage of their income in taxes than their percentage of the nations wealth. Thanks to 3 decades of 30 years of trickle down economics, 1 in 7 Americans are poor, millions more on unemployment and seniors barely getting by, there's your 50 %. They are ones you want to pay for your wars to protect the rich's wealth. You got to be ****ing kidding me!
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You have a Red stain on your upper lip from something.

I guess you get extra points for being a Liberal Without a Clue.
How in the hell can the top 10% pay a smaller percent of their income than those in the lowest 50%, those you talked about pay nothing at all?

You have to stop listening to Obama he's playing divide and conquer. What I think is truly funny is Obama is rich, and I don't see him donating anything to the treasury,or refusing to use deductions on his tax forms.
 
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You have a Red stain on your upper lip from something.

I guess you get extra points for being a Liberal Without a Clue.
How in the hell can the top 10% pay a smaller percent of their income than those in the lowest 50%, those you talked about pay nothing at all?

You have to stop listening to Obama he's playing divide and conquer. What I think is truly funny is Obama is rich, and I don't see him donating anything to the treasury,or refusing to use deductions on his tax forms.
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Try reading what I actually said and try again. :sun


While you are at it review these facts: "The top marginal income tax rates were lower between 1988 and 1992 than they are today, but otherwise, Obama is right. They were higher for the other years. Meanwhile, the rates that are used to tax carried interest for hedge-fund managers have been at historical lows since 2003. And effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available). On balance, we rate Obama’s statement Mostly True."
PolitiFact | Barack Obama says tax rates are lowest since 1950s for CEOs, hedge fund managers
 
Catawba said:
Try reading what I actually said and try again. :sun


While you are at it review these facts: "The top marginal income tax rates were lower between 1988 and 1992 than they are today, but otherwise, Obama is right. They were higher for the other years. Meanwhile, the rates that are used to tax carried interest for hedge-fund managers have been at historical lows since 2003. And effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available). On balance, we rate Obama’s statement Mostly True."
PolitiFact | Barack Obama says tax rates are lowest since 1950s for CEOs, hedge fund managers
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yet the rich pay more of the income tax burden now than they did at any other time since the FDR nonsnese. what does that mean? it means everyone else is paying a lot less too
 
TurtleDude said:
Your own side has proven that the rich don't benefit much from government. If they did, your dear leader would have noted that everyone will sacrifice due to cuts to government programs.
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No we've shown how you benefit from government in various ways, you just choose to ignore the evidence in favor of your biases.
 
TurtleDude said:
yet the rich pay more of the income tax burden now than they did at any other time since the FDR nonsnese. what does that mean? it means everyone else is paying a lot less too
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Nice attempt at spin, the rich pay more than previously, because they make more than previously. That still doesn't change the documented fact that "effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."
 
I don't know how I bother to keep repeating this point, since I know Turtledude and the other free-market extremists will simply dismiss this point without providing evidence to counter it, but the fact remains capitalism is and always has been supported by state violence directed against the poor, either explicit or implied. Without a strong central state to protect it, it is impossible to have capitalism. There aren't very many capitalists in Somalia.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
I don't know how I bother to keep repeating this point, since I know Turtledude and the other free-market extremists will simply dismiss this point without providing evidence to counter it, but the fact remains capitalism is and always has been supported by state violence directed against the poor, either explicit or implied. Without a strong central state to protect it, it is impossible to have capitalism. There aren't very many capitalists in Somalia.
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Good point, well put :)
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
No we've shown how you benefit from government in various ways, you just choose to ignore the evidence in favor of your biases.
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No you haven't. You have made assertions and cited opinions that don't prove that. You can prove some rich people received some benefits but you have never ever come close to proving that the 100 Million plus of net tax consumers use less than the 1% who pay billions upon billions of taxes.

You just choose to ignore reality in order to wage a dishonest class warfare
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
I don't know how I bother to keep repeating this point, since I know Turtledude and the other free-market extremists will simply dismiss this point without providing evidence to counter it, but the fact remains capitalism is and always has been supported by state violence directed against the poor, either explicit or implied. Without a strong central state to protect it, it is impossible to have capitalism. There aren't very many capitalists in Somalia.
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Nature has always been "violent" against the untalented and unproductive. You justify a system that appeals to failure.
 
Catawba said:
Nice attempt at spin, the rich pay more than previously, because they make more than previously. That still doesn't change the documented fact that "effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."
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Why do you dishonestly rant about tax rates rather than admit that the rich pay more of the tax burden now than they have in the past?

and why do you constantly pretend that the rich don't pay their fair share when there is no objective evidence supporting that faith based myth?
 
TurtleDude said:
Why do you dishonestly rant about tax rates rather than admit that the rich pay more of the tax burden now than they have in the past?

and why do you constantly pretend that the rich don't pay their fair share when there is no objective evidence supporting that faith based myth?
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As has been documented, the top 20% already own 85% of the country's wealth.

Here's today's working class after 3 decades of trickle down economics:

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Suck away Turtledude, suck away..............see just how much more blood you can suck from the working class and the poor. :sun
 
TurtleDude said:
Why do you dishonestly rant about tax rates rather than admit that the rich pay more of the tax burden now than they have in the past?

and why do you constantly pretend that the rich don't pay their fair share when there is no objective evidence supporting that faith based myth?
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I have used the statement: "the wealthy do not pay their fair share" as much as you have used: "the wealthy pay more than their fair share"

Clearly, we differ on what a fair share means
 
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