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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its fun watching socialists pretend that their faux brand of libertarian thought is authentic. it is not. If you support government redistribution of income you are not a libertarian you are a collectivist
    Actually...

    "The left-wing French communist Joseph Déjacque coins the political term "Libertarianism" to refer to the belief system of the radical anarchist left. Slowly, over the following century, its political orientation would change—but its anti-authoritarian tone would not."

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    So in terms of the origin of the term, it was created by left wing collectivist anarchists, and subsequently co-opted by right wing small government fiscal conservatives.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    an opinion of some blogger based on opinion and unsupported facts? LOL complete BS
    Do these work for you?

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...424enr.txt.pdf
    http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf
    Tax Benefits to the Rich and Patient - New York Times
    A government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich
    The Top 10 Tax Breaks -- And How They Help The Wealthy The Most

    Stimulus, and TARP were some pretty big gov assistance to the "rich"...


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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Actually...

    "The left-wing French communist Joseph Déjacque coins the political term "Libertarianism" to refer to the belief system of the radical anarchist left. Slowly, over the following century, its political orientation would change—but its anti-authoritarian tone would not."

    Libertarian History - History and Timeline of Libertarianism

    So in terms of the origin of the term, it was created by left wing collectivist anarchists, and subsequently co-opted by right wing small government fiscal conservatives.
    Just as "liberal" was stolen by reactionary parasitic statists in America



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    [QUOTE=TheDemSocialist;1059736255]
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    an opinion of some blogger based on opinion and unsupported facts? LOL complete BS[/QUOTE

    Do these work for you?

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...424enr.txt.pdf
    http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf
    Tax Benefits to the Rich and Patient - New York Times
    A government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich
    The Top 10 Tax Breaks -- And How They Help The Wealthy The Most

    Stimulus, and TARP were some pretty big gov assistance to the "rich"...
    I didnt benefit from either and I pay tons of taxes. anyone paying less in fed inc taxes than their groups share of the income is benefitting more from government than they pay in fed Inc Taxes while we in the top pay far more than our share.



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Just as "liberal" was stolen by reactionary parasitic statists in America
    I actually almost used that analogy, although without the hyperbolic name-calling.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I actually almost used that analogy, although without the hyperbolic name-calling.
    where is hyperbolic name calling. parasitic reactionary statism is a sound term for those whose solution to everything is more government.



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    [QUOTE=TurtleDude;1059736261]
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    I didnt benefit from either and I pay tons of taxes. anyone paying less in fed inc taxes than their groups share of the income is benefitting more from government than they pay in fed Inc Taxes while we in the top pay far more than our share.
    Of course you did pay your taxes, cuz apparently a historic low tax rate just isnt low enough for you because the rest of us are "government freeloaders"... But are you saying that the rich did not benefit from thees programs?


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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where is hyperbolic name calling. parasitic reactionary statism is a sound term for those whose solution to everything is more government.
    You'll have to forgive me if I don't take this sort of thing seriously. It's mindless and provides no value to the debate.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Actually...

    "The left-wing French communist Joseph Déjacque coins the political term "Libertarianism" to refer to the belief system of the radical anarchist left. Slowly, over the following century, its political orientation would change—but its anti-authoritarian tone would not."

    Libertarian History - History and Timeline of Libertarianism

    So in terms of the origin of the term, it was created by left wing collectivist anarchists, and subsequently co-opted by right wing small government fiscal conservatives.
    Like I said he was a communist. Communists like him have no idea how you reach civil liberties just like libertarian socialist of today have no idea how you manage it.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I can't remember the exact name for this theory but originally, people thought that in a pluralistic society, the middle class and the poor would align themselves and dominate over the rich.
    As it turns out, the middle class dominates over the rich and the poor.
    Taxation rates and deductions, along with social benefits tend to flow to the middle class the most.
    So my experience is an exception and you don't mention the value of how the government protects my wealth and the other stuff I mentioned. OK. Maybe you’re thinking of the total dollars benefiting a single class. I'm thinking of the total benefit a single individual gets. Maybe that is the source of the difference. According to the stats there aren’t very many of those in my financial position, something less than 1%.

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