View Poll Results: Who benefits the most?

Voters
109. You may not vote on this poll
  • Rich.

    35 32.11%
  • Poor.

    74 67.89%
Page 20 of 27 FirstFirst ... 101819202122 ... LastLast
Results 191 to 200 of 269

Thread: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

  1. #191
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Gotta love these false dichotomies.

    The rich and the poor BOTH benefit, as it is the middle class that is being hurt.
    Ha!
    The middle class is biggest benefactor of government services, dollar for dollar.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  2. #192
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    The Rich actually use the majority of government services and entitlements.

    "Say what? Yeah i know it sounds counter intuitive.
    But the massive military is there to protect Americans wealth. The top 10% has 80% of that.. so 80% of military expenditures is to protect the wealthy. And we can see it directly when we sent the military to save the US captain caught by somali pirates. (think that costs a dime or two?)

    The nations highway system is enjoyed by all, but mostly by commercial traffic to get the wealthy products to places where they can sell to you.

    Sure the poor fly now and then, but for the most part the airports support those that have meetings and business adventures or vacations.

    the rich fly more.

    when californian fights forest fires to protect houses they are mainly protecting the houses of the wealthy, even when they go into poor neighborhoods, most of those people rent from the wealthy."

    Read more ways that the rich benefit most from government services here:
    Newsvine - The Rich actually use the majority of government services and entitlements.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  3. #193
    Professor

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MI and AZ
    Last Seen
    03-15-15 @ 01:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,581

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ha!
    The middle class is biggest benefactor of government services, dollar for dollar.
    Please explain dollar for dollar. Is it their wealth vs. what they get. Is What they pay in taxes vs. what they get. Is it what they are worth as an contributor to society vs. what they get. Please inform us. thx

  4. #194
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    any proof of that? so tell me

    do 47% of the voters who pay NO INCOME tax use less government benefits that are funded by the income tax than one guy making say 1,5 million a year who pays several hundred thousand in income taxes yearly>

    It is your position that he uses more than 100 million people combined?
    Bailouts, TARP, Stimulus, corporate lobbyists, tax breaks...


  5. #195
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Please explain dollar for dollar. Is it their wealth vs. what they get. Is What they pay in taxes vs. what they get. Is it what they are worth as an contributor to society vs. what they get. Please inform us. thx
    I can't remember the exact name for this theory but originally, people thought that in a pluralistic society, the middle class and the poor would align themselves and dominate over the rich.
    As it turns out, the middle class dominates over the rich and the poor.
    Taxation rates and deductions, along with social benefits tend to flow to the middle class the most.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #196
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I can't speak for U.S. Socialist. but I don't think that's what he was suggesting. To my understanding he's an advocate of Libertarian Socialism, (Real Libertarianism.) not some monolithic Soviet-style bureaucracy. So am I, incidentally, although, I am not a Marxist.
    its fun watching socialists pretend that their faux brand of libertarian thought is authentic. it is not. If you support government redistribution of income you are not a libertarian you are a collectivist



  7. #197
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its fun watching socialists pretend that their faux brand of libertarian thought is authentic. it is not. If you support government redistribution of income you are not a libertarian you are a collectivist

    Oh Turtle always posting great intellectual responses


  8. #198
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Rich actually use the majority of government services and entitlements.

    "Say what? Yeah i know it sounds counter intuitive.
    But the massive military is there to protect Americans wealth. The top 10% has 80% of that.. so 80% of military expenditures is to protect the wealthy. And we can see it directly when we sent the military to save the US captain caught by somali pirates. (think that costs a dime or two?)

    The nations highway system is enjoyed by all, but mostly by commercial traffic to get the wealthy products to places where they can sell to you.

    Sure the poor fly now and then, but for the most part the airports support those that have meetings and business adventures or vacations.

    the rich fly more.

    when californian fights forest fires to protect houses they are mainly protecting the houses of the wealthy, even when they go into poor neighborhoods, most of those people rent from the wealthy."

    Read more ways that the rich benefit most from government services here:
    Newsvine - The Rich actually use the majority of government services and entitlements.
    an opinion of some blogger based on opinion and unsupported facts? LOL complete BS



  9. #199
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    I can't speak for U.S. Socialist. but I don't think that's what he was suggesting. To my understanding he's an advocate of Libertarian Socialism, (Real Libertarianism.) not some monolithic Soviet-style bureaucracy. So am I, incidentally, although, I am not a Marxist.
    There is no Libertarian Socialism, just like there is no Libertarian left or right. Libertarian socialist are really just socialist, while people that say they there is a such thing as a libertarian left are really just communists. You continue to show you are confused on leans. It started with you saying you are anarchist, but you support UHC, and now there is this where you say some load about the existence of a libertarian socialist.
    Last edited by Henrin; 08-17-11 at 07:21 PM.

  10. #200
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,622

    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is no Libertarian Socialism, just like there is no Libertarian left or right. Libertarian socialist are really just socialist, while people that say they there is a such thing as a libertarian left are really just communists.
    One of the fake libertarians told me that people cannot be free unless they have homes and food so the government taking the wealth of the productive to feed and house the unproductive is justified to increase freedom. Its like saying someone cannot be free unless things that bother him are eradicated so the government should shoot anyone who voices opinions that bother the sensitive so the sensitive can be free.

    Part of freedom is the freedom to fail and not have anyone forced to bail the failure out through force of government



Page 20 of 27 FirstFirst ... 101819202122 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •