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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    actually I think it's the other way around, if anything, it is your concept of "fair" does not have any "rational relationship to reality"
    feel free to post something that is more rational



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    never said that. I just tire of trade school enlistees acting like everyone else ought to pay more taxes.

    you have never provided any evidence that you are on a military disability or a 30 year careerist

    I noted in other threads that such people deserve the benefit of whatever contract they entered
    Im neither and I never claimed to be...i am not on a disability nor was I career military...I am a veteran...

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    feel free to post something that is more rational
    be my guest .. show me how its done TurtleDude .. show me a rational argument for your case that states that according to traditional values/ethics (i.e. the ones that all religions and most philosophies support ... why would so many religions and philosophies come up with the exact same tenants? this may be a good question to ask yourself), being tyrannical is justified .. I dare you ..

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im neither and I never claimed to be...i am not on a disability nor was I career military...I am a veteran...
    draftee or enlisted



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    be my guest .. show me how its done TurtleDude .. show me a rational argument for your case that states that according to traditional values/ethics (i.e. the ones that all religions and most philosophies support ... why would so many religions and philosophies come of with the exact same tenants? this may be a good question to ask yourself), being tyrannical is justified .. I dare you ..


    I showed that the rich pay a far higher share of the tax burden than their share of the income while almost every other group and everyone in the bottom 95% pay less of the tax burden than their share of the income

    in other words the group that pays MORE OF THE TAX BURDEN Than their share of the income are the ones people like you are claiming are not paying their fair share which is patently insane

    The Tax Foundation - The Facts Contradict Obama's Calls for Higher Taxes on the Rich and Corporations



    Recently released IRS data for 2009, shows that taxpayers earning over $200,000 paid 50 percent of the $866 billion in total income taxes paid that year, or $434 billion. Skeptics will say, "That's because they earn the majority of the income in America. Not so. These taxpayers earned 25 percent of the $7.6 trillion in total adjusted gross income in the country that year.



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im neither and I never claimed to be...i am not on a disability nor was I career military...I am a veteran...
    So you think trade school graduates are scumbags ? you mean the people that fix the richs air conditioners so their soft mushy bodies dont get over heated, you mean the plumbers that put your bathroom and kitchen in when your house was built so you dont have to use an outhouse...you mean the people that BUILT YOUR house and your office...Oh i know..you mean all the men that you cant hold a candle next to physically lol...talk about ranting...your the queen of ranting and whining lol....Oh those guys paid into social security all their lives too...

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Well, I'd say you are an intelligent person from reading your posts and absolute freedom (aka anarchy) is a myth .. it has never existed, nor can it .. people will always govern themselves. So, I am saying that you have a set of freedoms, liberties and rights that you value and call "freedom" - this is to say that everyone's idea of "freedom" is subject and thus different. The correct term would be something like a government system that only governs the things you think it should.
    I thank you for the explanation. I believe you can have anarchy, but that has never been something that I have sought. With freedom comes responsibility and government. Freedom includes not taking things away unless they are agreed upon as immoral, i.e. sterilization, polygamy, etc. If you wish to call that loosely, that's fine by me.

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    So you think trade school graduates are scumbags ? you mean the people that fix the richs air conditioners so their soft mushy bodies dont get over heated, you mean the plumbers that put your bathroom and kitchen in when your house was built so you dont have to use an outhouse...you mean the people that BUILT YOUR house and your office...Oh i know..you mean all the men that you cant hold a candle next to physically lol...talk about ranting...your the queen of ranting and whining lol....Oh those guys paid into social security all their lives too...
    you are ranting at your own post dude.

    your working class hero act is falling apart



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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I thank you for the explanation. I believe you can have anarchy, but that has never been something that I have sought. With freedom comes responsibility and government. Freedom includes not taking things away unless they are agreed upon as immoral, i.e. sterilization, polygamy, etc. If you wish to call that loosely, that's fine by me.
    Lets compromise and call it "your definition of freedom" versus "my definition of freedom" (which we have, in past posts, found are more similar than we may have thought) - still each man's version of "freedom" is loosely defined and quite subjective

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    Re: Who benefits the most from the government? Rich or poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Lets compromise and call it "your definition of freedom" versus "my definition of freedom" (which we have, in past posts, found are more similar than we may have thought) - still each man's version of "freedom" is loosely defined and quite subjective
    Well, when it comes to who wins or loses with regards to government, I'll stick with both the rich and the poor and that neither should win and only be guaranteed freedom.

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