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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think your views prove my original claim about this question:
    My views? All I've done is repeat her words. They're hers, not mine. She could not have been plainer in expressing her views on female submission.

    And all you've done in response is either come up with some muddled apologetic excuse for why it's not that big a deal, or pinned people as saying things they never said. You will not address the point.

    And by the way, she is also explicit in wanting to legislate her religion. Her views on homosexuality are explicitely and openly tied to her religion. Again, I don't need to assume anything. She has been very clear on the matter.

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    The question was asked...does anyone freak out about her answer? She didnt get all pouty and whiny ala Newt Gingrich about the unfair nature of the question...she simply answered it. Has anyone seen anything evidenced in her political career where she has been unduly influenced (and any more so than say, Michelle has influenced Barrack)?

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The question was asked...does anyone freak out about her answer? She didnt get all pouty and whiny ala Newt Gingrich about the unfair nature of the question...she simply answered it. Has anyone seen anything evidenced in her political career where she has been unduly influenced (and any more so than say, Michelle has influenced Barrack)?
    All thats beside the point...she brought the question on herself by making the statement...then she waffled on the answer...

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    My views? All I've done is repeat her words. They're hers, not mine. She could not have been plainer in expressing her views on female submission.

    And all you've done in response is either come up with some muddled apologetic excuse for why it's not that big a deal, or pinned people as saying things they never said. You will not address the point.

    And by the way, she is also explicit in wanting to legislate her religion. Her views on homosexuality are explicitely and openly tied to her religion. Again, I don't need to assume anything. She has been very clear on the matter.
    Presidents don't legislate, and there was a plan in invade Iraq on the books for at least 10 years prior to Bush. Iraq was hardly spontaneous, I believe the original plans were drafted during the Regan administration, if not earlier. It takes years to plan out a major military movement; which, incidentally, is why Obama couldn't simply order us out of Iraq, either, but I digress.

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    My point was not meant as an insult to you in any way. I wanted to point out that the question was meant to show her in a polarized light. I think the question succeeded because she didn't answer it very well.

    I can't say that she hates her profession today. I haven't heard her say that, only that she initially didn't want to go into tax law.

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Presidents don't legislate, and there was a plan in invade Iraq on the books for at least 10 years prior to Bush. Iraq was hardly spontaneous, I believe the original plans were drafted during the Regan administration, if not earlier. It takes years to plan out a major military movement; which, incidentally, is why Obama couldn't simply order us out of Iraq, either, but I digress.

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    My point was not meant as an insult to you in any way. I wanted to point out that the question was meant to show her in a polarized light. I think the question succeeded because she didn't answer it very well.

    I can't say that she hates her profession today. I haven't heard her say that, only that she initially didn't want to go into tax law.
    I'm not saying she could. I'm saying she wants to. She most definitely desires to make some of her religious views law.

    Whether what Bush said is the truth of the matter is beside the point. The point is he received relatively little criticism for saying it. And he said it about lots of other things as well. That should be a huge alarm bell in the minds of the American public - a democratic republic that is supposedly secular. And yet, for some reason, it isn't.

    Bachmann is polarizing. She says and does polarizing things. It's not plotting or nefarious for someone to point that out, or even to make it the focus of her campaign in the media. It should be the focus. Her extreme and polarizing views are absolutely the biggest thing we need to be talking about in considering Bachmann as a candidate.

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I'm not saying she could. I'm saying she wants to. She most definitely desires to make some of her religious views law.

    Whether what Bush said is the truth of the matter is beside the point. The point is he received relatively little criticism for saying it. And he said it about lots of other things as well. That should be a huge alarm bell in the minds of the American public - a democratic republic that is supposedly secular. And yet, for some reason, it isn't.

    Bachmann is polarizing. She says and does polarizing things. It's not plotting or nefarious for someone to point that out, or even to make it the focus of her campaign in the media. It should be the focus. Her extreme and polarizing views are absolutely the biggest thing we need to be talking about in considering Bachmann as a candidate.
    Bush isn't running, so I'm automatically going to ignore anything said about Bush.

    How Bachmann is polarizing doesn't matter. That she's polarizing it what has doomed her candidacy. She could strongly support your every view, yet be polarized and fail.

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This question has raised a firestorm over whether it was fair or appropriate. It came about from this comment she made where she said that she finished her degree because her husband told her so and women are supposed to be submissive to their husbands(can't find quote at the moment, if any one else can, will edit it in and give credit).

    So, we the question fair? Was it appropriate? Was it sexist? You can choose more than one.
    You have to take into consideration the viewers and the core GOP voters, especially the religious ones. It is a very valid question for a woman who is trying to enter the man's world of Conservative politics. It is sexist and chauvinistic but it is the reality of the situation for a conservative woman.... like it or not.

    Had she been a Democrat and trying for the Democratic nomination, then yes it would have been sexist and inappropriate.. but then again chances of someone even remotely thinking of asking that of a woman on the left is remote.

    Like it or not, the view and role of women in society is different depending on which side of the political scale you are and this is valid for most countries around the world.

    Ask Maggie Thatcher when she started her political climb. She was asked the exact same questions and the candidates going up against her .. in her own party, used her motherhood as a negative against her.. "how can she be a mother and have a full time job?"... "does she hate her children?"... and it was not only men but women (mostly spouses of course) who came with these comments. When she was in debates, she not only had to contend with policy questions, but more than often she had to contend with "family" questions and attacks.

    Or ask the Rachida Dati, former French Justice minister... unwed and pregnant!... the horror! The French and especially people abroad in conservative circles were horrified to hear that a conservative woman in a conservative government was unwed and pregnant and kept on working till she had the kid and came to work a few weeks after giving birth.

    So like it or not, for the audience (even in the 21st century), this question was relevant and topical.. because she is a woman and a mother...
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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    It was not an appropriate question; the "asker" was being stupid, possibly disrespectful.

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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    It was not an appropriate question; the "asker" was being stupid, possibly disrespectful.
    Why? Where is the line drawn as what is appropriate to ask a presidential candidate and what isn't?
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    Re: What Did You Think Of This Question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why? Where is the line drawn as what is appropriate to ask a presidential candidate and what isn't?
    It's okay to ask if Obama hates white people or if he's paling around with terrorists. Those are legitimate and honest questions.
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