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    Do you support this military project?

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    DARPA Loses Hypersonic Vehicle, Goes From $320M to Zero in*2,700 Seconds - FoxNews.com

    I'm split on this one... I'm bothered that this much has been spent on a currently failing project, yet if they eventually succeed I can only imagine we'd be saving billions more per year if politicians view this vehicle as a reason to close many of the military bases we have all over the world. What would be the point of having bases all around the world when we can attack anywhere on Earth within an hour anyways?

    However, I am skeptical that some military advocates would go along with this hypothetical plan...
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    I am against this project, and let me explain why.

    So much spending is put into our military. First, we all know that we have the supreme military, at least the majority of US citizens would like to think that. Second, as we have learned from more modern wars, that technology does not win wars, but the men that operate the technology. (Patton has a quote of this, and the movie Captain America plays with this concept.) Recently, a helicopter was shot down, and twenty five special forces soldiers were killed.

    Technology doesn't win wars, people do. It would be nice to have a weapon where you just press a button and a war is won. Unfortunately, that is in fantasy land. The only counter argument I can see to this would be the atom bombs that were dropped in Japan during WWII. While it is true that the bomb allowed for an allied victory, the world rushed to obtain that technology. And now, many nations have the power of the a-bomb.

    First, I think we as a nation have to balance our check books. Unfortunately, in the real world, when you are in debt so much, you can't keep spending on the things that you want. I feel like the people in power are being immature about this whole situation. Washington spent themselves into this problem, and now they have to face the consequences. This recent bill is pathetic. The amount of cuts over 10 years, we occur over three days. It really is stupid. And now the government, while we owe so much money to so many different lenders, are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a new project? This really is pathetic.

    So no, I am totally against this project.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    I'm totally for the project. Having strike ability without having to have military assets nearby is a positive addition to the military options available to the president.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Read article, vote and comment...

    DARPA Loses Hypersonic Vehicle, Goes From $320M to Zero in*2,700 Seconds - FoxNews.com

    I'm split on this one... I'm bothered that this much has been spent on a currently failing project, yet if they eventually succeed I can only imagine we'd be saving billions more per year if politicians view this vehicle as a reason to close many of the military bases we have all over the world. What would be the point of having bases all around the world when we can attack anywhere on Earth within an hour anyways?

    However, I am skeptical that some military advocates would go along with this hypothetical plan...
    who knows, it's an investment that might pay off somewhere down the road.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
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    DARPA Loses Hypersonic Vehicle, Goes From $320M to Zero in*2,700 Seconds - FoxNews.com

    I'm split on this one... I'm bothered that this much has been spent on a currently failing project, yet if they eventually succeed I can only imagine we'd be saving billions more per year if politicians view this vehicle as a reason to close many of the military bases we have all over the world. What would be the point of having bases all around the world when we can attack anywhere on Earth within an hour anyways?

    However, I am skeptical that some military advocates would go along with this hypothetical plan...
    Reporting the cost of various military projects only means that Obama is prepping public opinion for defense cuts.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    I am not to sure.Anything the military has can be turned on its own people, this sort of technology might be handed to a ally who might either "accidentally" leak the technology or become our enemies one day and use those weapons against us. Then again a hypersonic vehicle might lead to other technologies.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I am against this project, and let me explain why.

    So much spending is put into our military. First, we all know that we have the supreme military, at least the majority of US citizens would like to think that. Second, as we have learned from more modern wars, that technology does not win wars, but the men that operate the technology. (Patton has a quote of this, and the movie Captain America plays with this concept.) Recently, a helicopter was shot down, and twenty five special forces soldiers were killed.

    Technology doesn't win wars, people do. It would be nice to have a weapon where you just press a button and a war is won. Unfortunately, that is in fantasy land. The only counter argument I can see to this would be the atom bombs that were dropped in Japan during WWII. While it is true that the bomb allowed for an allied victory, the world rushed to obtain that technology. And now, many nations have the power of the a-bomb.

    First, I think we as a nation have to balance our check books. Unfortunately, in the real world, when you are in debt so much, you can't keep spending on the things that you want. I feel like the people in power are being immature about this whole situation. Washington spent themselves into this problem, and now they have to face the consequences. This recent bill is pathetic. The amount of cuts over 10 years, we occur over three days. It really is stupid. And now the government, while we owe so much money to so many different lenders, are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a new project? This really is pathetic.

    So no, I am totally against this project.
    Tell that to the Indians. The A-bomb wasn't and never has been the first time that wars have been won due to technology.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reporting the cost of various military projects only means that Obama is prepping public opinion for defense cuts.
    public opinion has already been prepped regardless, IMHO, for better or for worse.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Wrong. People pull the triggers of guns, do they not?

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm totally for the project. Having strike ability without having to have military assets nearby is a positive addition to the military options available to the president.
    That's hardly the biggest reason to support this. While I criticize the military industrial complex that is partially the reason for our massive debt, military research tends to trickle down to civilian uses. Having the military actually make a hypersonic transport plane work will lead to civilian commercialization. I hate flying. And if I can get from London to Sydney in less than 2 hours, I'm all for it.
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