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  • I strongly support this project

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  • I support this project

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    5 16.13%
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Please elaborate. How would this technology win wars by itself? Where did I say that 320 million dollars is a lot of money? Please cite.
    He is not claiming that the technology wins wars by itself. He is disputing your belief that it doesn't win wars by itself, so therefore it somehow isn't worth it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Apparently you can not count. It is six. And I think you do not understand the simple concept, that if one person reads a text, it will mean differently to him than another person. We all have different life experiences, different vocabularies, and different meanings to words. Really, you are just scared to actually attempt to answer those questions, for it would be even more obvious how illogical you are.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    He is not claiming that the technology wins wars by itself. He is disputing your belief that it doesn't win wars by itself, so therefore it somehow isn't worth it.
    He said I completely lost all perspective. So really, the extreme is accurate.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    How would this technology win wars by itself?
    I'm pretty sure you are the only person worried about this. I dunno why, but it's ridiculous.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Apparently you can not count. It is six.
    actually it depends on the settings a person has.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    40 posts per page pwns. I'm not going to debate that.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Regardless, it isn't two set in stone.

    'm pretty sure you are the only person worried about this. I dunno why, but it's ridiculous.
    Please elaborate on how I lost all perspective with regards to this military project. Also, cite where I said 320 million was a lot of money, please.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I am not saying it doesn't matter at all. I am saying it is people that matter more than technology.
    That's absurd. The advent of nuclear missiles ensures that technology, not people, is the primary determinate of global or national destruction from military activities. Back when it was conventional weapons, to a degree that was true. Today, everything is to a degree, moot. Strategy, almost irrelveant. People, almost irrelevant.

    In fact, I think we understand that even if we were hit with a first strike and everyone in the U.S. was dead, our own missile silos would launch automatically. Talking about damning evidence against your assertion right?

    The world is different now. Political power, and economic power, once a nation has a nuclear aresenal, is where the game is played. The biggest danger to citizens is consolidation of government authority, or private authority. Government historically has been the worst, the most common, and nearly always linked to any bad actor private authorities anyway. That's why government growth is the primary way U.S. citizens can "fight the good fight".

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    This usually happens when someone is a coward. They call someone out, put their reputation on the line, and yet they refuse to actually face the person that they called out.

    I suggest you mature some and grow a pair.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    That's absurd. The advent of nuclear missiles ensures that technology, not people, is the primary determinate of global or national destruction from military activities. Back when it was conventional weapons, to a degree that was true. Today, everything is to a degree, moot. Strategy, almost irrelveant. People, almost irrelevant.

    In fact, I think we understand that even if we were hit with a first strike and everyone in the U.S. was dead, our own missile silos would launch automatically. Talking about damning evidence against your assertion right?

    The world is different now. Political power, and economic power, once a nation has a nuclear aresenal, is where the game is played. The biggest danger to citizens is consolidation of government authority, or private authority. Government historically has been the worst, the most common, and nearly always linked to any bad actor private authorities anyway. That's why government growth is the primary way U.S. citizens can "fight the good fight".
    People had to build those technologies, did they not? They have to execute the proper procedures in order for them to work, do they not?

    If we are so advanced than everyone else, why do people with primitive technology are able to kill our men with superior technology?

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