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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    I usually support scientific research of this sort. There is plenty of money being wasted in more frivolous pursuits, I would go after that money first.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    This project is a bad idea. From a military perspective its a complete waste. The prompt global strike doctrine is completely moronic. If you want instantaneous response, we can forward deploy cruise missiles within range of potential hotspots. Using suborbital delivery systems means setting off ICBM warning systems. What really worries me is that they consider Pakistan and NK potential targets. Shooting ICBM like weapons at nuclear powers is completely insane. There are other hypersonic research programs that can be utilize the money than this one.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    So how would this added technology, assuming it will be successful and go into fruition, how will it win us the war alone? Please, enlighten me.
    A singke piece of technology will rarely win a war on it's own. In fact, it's likely to be impossible for technology alone to win a war.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    So how would this added technology, assuming it will be successful and go into fruition, how will it win us the war alone? Please, enlighten me.
    I don't think it's being developed to win our current wars, and I don't recall anyone saying so, and certainly nobody suggested that this little plane will win us the war alone.

    but it'll definitely have commercial and military uses down the road. Not all the spending you do is spending for the right here, right now.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    I understand what you are all saying. Someone, however said I lost all perspective. Therefore, I asked the above question. I agree with a lot of what you all said in response to that question, as that is my stance.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This project is a bad idea. From a military perspective its a complete waste. The prompt global strike doctrine is completely moronic. If you want instantaneous response, we can forward deploy cruise missiles within range of potential hotspots. Using suborbital delivery systems means setting off ICBM warning systems. What really worries me is that they consider Pakistan and NK potential targets. Shooting ICBM like weapons at nuclear powers is completely insane. There are other hypersonic research programs that can be utilize the money than this one.
    You bring up a good point, but I'd like to point out that cruise missiles can be shot down. It's a lot harder to shoot something down that's going at hypersonic speeds.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Someone, however said I lost all perspective.
    Let's see...

    1. You think 320m is a significant amount.
    2. You think that the project is not worth it because it doesn't win wars by itself.

    I believe, on both facets, you have completely lost perspective. I cannot imagine how one could be more disconnected from the discussion. Except, perhaps, to attempt to blame the US for social capital depletion in Iraq - that's further gone.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-12-11 at 12:39 PM.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Also, if you were to add hypersonic speeds with the stealth technology developed in Area 51, you would have a beast of a machine.

    But, this will take large resources over a long course of time. Engineering not only involves the design of the machine, but how to manufacture it, and how to get a certain purity of certain materials. It is much more of a project than I think the most of the American population perceive.

    We can not afford this. Seriously. We have to reap the consequences of the irresponsible spending of Washington. It seems they do not want to grow up and face those consequences.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Let's see...

    1. You think 320m is a significant amount.
    2.You think that the project is not worth it because it doesn't win wars by itself.

    I believe, on both facets, you have completely lost perspective. I cannot imagine how one could be more disconnected from the discussion.
    Please elaborate. How would this technology win wars by itself? Where did I say that 320 million dollars is a lot of money? Please cite.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    The thread is only 2 pages, and you don't remember what you wrote...


    Good day.

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