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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    OH MY GOD people! Read what I am writing, not in between the lines!

    People are more important than technology. That is what I am saying. Technology does help, but people are more important!

    Instead of spending 320 million on something that might work, maybe spend it on training more Seals? Maybe invest it in an organization that is more efficient in spreading technology?

    It has everything to do with the person that cited the Indians. He didn't acknowledge the fact that we also had a microbiological advantage.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Regardless if they are winning or not, and regardless of whether it has everything to do with technology or not, I am sure you agree that we have started a blood feud to these people. Where did I say in any of my statements that we were losing? Why do you insist upon putting words in my mouth?

    Whether we win or lose, the men that we killed have brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, sons, and daughters. We are self fulfilling what their texts teach them. We are evil in their eyes.

    So we may win, and we may sing in our glory. But when generations upon generations learn of the history of what happened, revenge will surely come.

    Why do you hate freedom? Iraq has democratic infrastructure and needs a generation or two to develop an intellectual class (Saddam pretty much killed them all) and Afghanistan has some law and order. We are winning, bigtime.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Where did I say that I hate freedom? Cite it.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    I voted no, but now, mulling it over, we should pursue it for job creation, but if the military is to use it, they must have a legitimate reason for wanting such technology on the battlefield.

    Also due to many bringing up civilian and troop transportation by hypersonic travel, I must ask the question: Can the human body even withstand hypersonic speed?
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Yes. Evidence is YF-22s.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why do you hate freedom? Iraq has democratic infrastructure and needs a generation or two to develop an intellectual class (Saddam pretty much killed them all) and Afghanistan has some law and order. We are winning, bigtime.
    You are completely incorrect. Iraq had an intellectual class, but they fled:

    Iraq: Brain Drain Poses Threat To Future - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2011

    The Iraqi brain drain | World news | The Guardian

    Professionals Fleeing Iraq As Violence, Threats Persist
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    OH MY GOD people! Read what I am writing, not in between the lines!

    People are more important than technology. That is what I am saying. Technology does help, but people are more important!

    Instead of spending 320 million on something that might work, maybe spend it on training more Seals? Maybe invest it in an organization that is more efficient in spreading technology?

    It has everything to do with the person that cited the Indians. He didn't acknowledge the fact that we also had a microbiological advantage.
    1) we already have more than enough SEALs. The SOF community has expanded dramatically since the wars started. And one of the reasons they are so effective is that they have excellent cutting-edge technology, like the new stealth helicopter that allowed them to penetrate deep into Pakistani airspace undetected.

    2) The return on an investment like this isn't always immediately apparent, but may only reveal itself years or decades down the line.

    3) why hell do you keep on returning to guns germs and steel? Did I ever say germs and steel weren't important? If you've read guns germs and steel, then you know about the Battle of Cajamarca. It was 200 disciplined Spanish troops with horses, bayonets and arquebuses that defeated 7,000 incans with spears and bows+arrows in that battle.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 08-12-11 at 12:01 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Yes. Evidence is YF-22s.
    he said hypersonic, not supersonic.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 08-12-11 at 12:02 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Why do you assume that I was talking to you directly?

    Tell that to the Indians. The A-bomb wasn't and never has been the first time that wars have been won due to technology.
    Dually noted.

    In which case, if the money should not be invested in more Seals, or what not, putting 320 million in a long term investment when we are looking at what, 14 trillion in debt, isn't practical at all, but is actually insane.
    Last edited by sookster; 08-12-11 at 12:04 PM.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I voted no, but now, mulling it over, we should pursue it for job creation, but if the military is to use it, they must have a legitimate reason for wanting such technology on the battlefield.

    Also due to many bringing up civilian and troop transportation by hypersonic travel, I must ask the question: Can the human body even withstand hypersonic speed?
    Speed/velocity is irrelevant. The astronauts in the space shuttle orbit at what would be Mach 23 at sea level. It's the acceleration/g's that take a toll on the human body.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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