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  • I strongly support this project

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  • I support this project

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    6 19.35%
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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Its scary having todays politicans decide anything....so much fear and ignorance....
    And what is this "attack" business ?
    I thought we were a peaceful nation....boy, but with all these wars...we are anything but !!!
    Whatever happened to "make love, not war" ??

    All the hippies got married and {used to} have jobs now. The pendulum swings both ways unless the clock falls over, expect The Winds of Change to start blowin'

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it
    How would you propose the people abolish this said government?

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    How would you propose the people abolish this said government?
    Tsk. I said nothing of this government.

    One day it may come to it, and the people by right, arms and force of numbers would be required. Remember, soldiers are Americans too.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    public opinion has already been prepped regardless, IMHO, for better or for worse.
    Public opinion must not determine defense spending..However, it should be heard and considered.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The entire Roman army would lose to a single US Armored Cavalry troop.
    Then explain how the Viet Cong gave us so much trouble in Vietnam.
    Or how the Afghans kicked out both the Americans , the British, and the Russians....
    Its the people.....techology just speeds up the process.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Common sense should dictate that no one would support an R&D project that will be uneffective, or at best, no-more effective than systems that are already in the field.

    Again, I support any military R&D project, that could give us the edge over the bad guys and/or create more force protection on the battlefield.
    Common sense also states that profit is not liquidity. You have not answered my question. If an expensive R&D program that can be neutralized but gives a small advantage in a conflict could be done, would you support it?
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    In fact, I think we understand that even if we were hit with a first strike and everyone in the U.S. was dead, our own missile silos would launch automatically. Talking about damning evidence against your assertion right?
    Your understanding is flawed. First, no matter the nature of a first strike not everyone would be dead. Most would survive. Some might not even see any effects.
    Second, we do not have any missiles on "automatic." Command and control survivability measures are designed to make sure we can respond to a nuclear attack under any conceivable scenario.

    For weapons to successfully deter not only nuclear but large scale conventional war they must be relatively immune from a decapitating attack. They must also be relatively immune from accidental use.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    For now, this investment is essentially high risk. Why are we spending 320 million dollars on a high risk military investment, . . .?
    Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) reviews bids from companies with good ideas. They select a few of them and provide a small amount of money. Here is a short list of their successes:

    Successful projects

    The internet: Precisely who 'invented' the mass of linked computer networks that is today's internet is a moot point. But it wouldn't have happened without the ARPANET network built by DARPA in the 1960s. The idea was to make a "self-healing" communications network that still worked when parts of it were destroyed. It was the first network to transmit data in discrete chunks, not constant streams, and led to the development of the TCP/IP specification still in use today.

    GPS: We would be quite literally lost without today's global positioning system (GPS). But long before the current NAVSTAR GPS satellites were launched, came a constellation of just five DARPA satellites called Transit. First operational in 1960, they gave US Navy ships hourly location fixes as accurate as 200 metres.

    Speech translation: Although not yet available to consumers, handheld language translation devices developed with DARPA funding are already being used in Iraq. Although accuracy can be as low as 50%, the devices have met with favourable reviews from forces on the ground.

    Stealth Planes: It's probably the best example of DARPA fulfilling its remit to come up with "surprise" technologies - even the US Air Force was surprised by the idea. The first prototype, Have Blue, was tested in the late 1970s and became the precursor to F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter.

    Gallium Arsenide: One of DARPA's lesser known accomplishments, semiconductor gallium arsenide received a push from a $600-million computer research program in the mid-1980s. Although more costly than silicon, the material has become central to wireless communications chips in everything from cellphones to satellites, thanks to its high electron mobility, which lets it work at higher frequencies.
    One can never tell what will succeed and where the success will lead. I will also predict to you that there are successes we will not know about until after they are used in the next war.

    All programs have "off ramps". Depending on what was learned from these two experiments the hypersonic experiments may have reached theirs. I am for the efforts. This is like planting seeds for the next year's harvest. It is a false economy to eat the seed.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    The point was that technology caught up with technology.
    Yes... but only because the U2 was reasonably close to current ADA technology.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Then explain how the Viet Cong gave us so much trouble in Vietnam.
    1: Your response does not negate the truth of my statement.
    2: The loss in Vietnam had nothing to do with the disparity in technology or the quality of the opponent, but the idiocy in Washington.

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