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  • I strongly support this project

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  • I support this project

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  • I am somewhere in the middle

    6 19.35%
  • I am against this project

    5 16.13%
  • I am strongly against this project

    4 12.90%
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Thread: Do you support this military project?

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You bring up a good point, but I'd like to point out that cruise missiles can be shot down. It's a lot harder to shoot something down that's going at hypersonic speeds.
    If you need to penetrate air defenses, you can simply fire a large enough quantity to guarantee some get through. Cruise missiles have the primary advantage of existing, as opposed to theoretical technology doesn't work. Putting the funding towards stealth cruise missiles would solve the air defense problem in a much more effective solution. Cruise missiles also have the added bonus of being less likely to start a nuclear war.

    There are better hypersonic research programs to fund than this boondoggle.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Wasn't the same thing once said about the U2?
    There are several orders of magnitude of difference here.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    There are several orders of magnitude of difference here.
    The point was that technology caught up with technology.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I support any military R&D project, that could give us the edge over the bad guys and/or create more force protection on the battlefield.
    Even if the advantage is minute, easy to counter and costs us the bank?
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Even if the advantage is minute, easy to counter and costs us the bank?
    He's been on the battlefield. Let's remember that he has had his ass protected/saved by military support, literally. Like a person whos life was saved by medicare or the likes, he is committed. There are many people out there who will support any government healtcare iniative because they've personally been involved and seen the difference it can make. Go give them a hard time.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Even if the advantage is minute, easy to counter and costs us the bank?
    Common sense should dictate that no one would support an R&D project that will be uneffective, or at best, no-more effective than systems that are already in the field.

    Again, I support any military R&D project, that could give us the edge over the bad guys and/or create more force protection on the battlefield.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Wow eco! You are starting to share more logic! You still have refused to provide evidence of your statements, which is, how have I lost all perspective? Where did I say that 320 million dollars was a lot of money? Also keep in mind, someone else said that logistics were key, not me.

    Now you mentioned my stance on gun control. If you read my posts on this issue, it is more than likely you will not understand my stance on this issue, since so many people on these forums do not understand what I am saying.

    My stance on the second amendment is to interpret it for which it was meant to be interpreted. The purpose of the second amendment was to provide the people the power to overthrow an oppressive government, not to enforce order with everyday trivial things. Our forefathers just came from an oppressive government, did they not?

    So I believe people should be able to purchase a firearm assuming they are a part of an organized militia. I do not believe an average citizen can purchase a weapon and not participate in an organized militia. It has been said on these forums, that the supreme court disagrees with this interpretation of this amendment. But there are things that should be noted when dealing with the supreme court.

    First, the supreme court has changed stances on issues during the course of history. Also, if you follow a lot of their decisions, most of those decisions coincide with the views of society and the people in power at the time. It really has little to do with true logic. Second, the supreme court has invested interests if they do not allow the amendment to be interpreted in this way. They want to keep their power. This is a law of man, for people who have power will do whatever it takes to keep that power.

    It seems, that when people hear from credible people in their minds, they refuse to question the logic of these credible people. Why is that? They are human, right? It is our job as educated citizens to question everything that is put forth between us. Whether it is said from congress, the president, the supreme court, the scientist, or the religious leader.

    To recap. My stance on gun control is that people can own a weapon assuming they are participating in an organized militia.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Read article, vote and comment...

    DARPA Loses Hypersonic Vehicle, Goes From $320M to Zero in*2,700 Seconds - FoxNews.com

    I'm split on this one... I'm bothered that this much has been spent on a currently failing project, yet if they eventually succeed I can only imagine we'd be saving billions more per year if politicians view this vehicle as a reason to close many of the military bases we have all over the world. What would be the point of having bases all around the world when we can attack anywhere on Earth within an hour anyways?

    However, I am skeptical that some military advocates would go along with this hypothetical plan...
    Its scary having todays politicans decide anything....so much fear and ignorance....
    And what is this "attack" business ?
    I thought we were a peaceful nation....boy, but with all these wars...we are anything but !!!
    Whatever happened to "make love, not war" ??

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Wow eco! You are starting to share more logic! You still have refused to provide evidence of your statements, which is, how have I lost all perspective? Where did I say that 320 million dollars was a lot of money? Also keep in mind, someone else said that logistics were key, not me.

    Now you mentioned my stance on gun control. If you read my posts on this issue, it is more than likely you will not understand my stance on this issue, since so many people on these forums do not understand what I am saying.

    My stance on the second amendment is to interpret it for which it was meant to be interpreted. The purpose of the second amendment was to provide the people the power to overthrow an oppressive government, not to enforce order with everyday trivial things. Our forefathers just came from an oppressive government, did they not?

    So I believe people should be able to purchase a firearm assuming they are a part of an organized militia. I do not believe an average citizen can purchase a weapon and not participate in an organized militia. It has been said on these forums, that the supreme court disagrees with this interpretation of this amendment. But there are things that should be noted when dealing with the supreme court.

    First, the supreme court has changed stances on issues during the course of history. Also, if you follow a lot of their decisions, most of those decisions coincide with the views of society and the people in power at the time. It really has little to do with true logic. Second, the supreme court has invested interests if they do not allow the amendment to be interpreted in this way. They want to keep their power. This is a law of man, for people who have power will do whatever it takes to keep that power.

    It seems, that when people hear from credible people in their minds, they refuse to question the logic of these credible people. Why is that? They are human, right? It is our job as educated citizens to question everything that is put forth between us. Whether it is said from congress, the president, the supreme court, the scientist, or the religious leader.

    To recap. My stance on gun control is that people can own a weapon assuming they are participating in an organized militia.
    I have an issue with your stance and will provide the following quote from a little known document.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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    Re: Do you support this military project?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Incorrect. That was not an intellectual class. That was the leftovers who somehow managed to survive the genocidal dictator who killed everyone who had any idea besides his own. Iraq was depleted of social capital. That's what happened when a madman with totalitarian power took absolute grip on a country for a few generations.

    Mr. Invisible, are you Muslim?
    I am an atheist. What the hell does being Muslim have anything to do with it?
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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