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Thread: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Who the beck are you to judge bigotry? You're as biased as most other members here.
    Thunder is possibly THE MOST biased poster here.
    NOTICE: I am not a troll, because what I write I believe, and I have no intention of derailing threads or manipulating human nature. I am not a terrorist, because I do not endorse the killing of innocent people, and I am not here to promote violence. I AM HERE ONLY TO EXPRESS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND ENJOY LIVELY DISCUSSION.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Thunder is possibly THE MOST biased poster here.
    what does this have to do with the topic of the thread?

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...post1059721870

    Basically, IS Anders Breivik a Christian? I'm getting a lot of conflicting data from Christian organizations to, lol, Media Matters.

    Can you help me with this? It seems Breivik will eternally be deemed a Christian to further their pro-Islam.stance.

    I'm currently searching for his own words, and I could really use your help with this. If it is so cut-and-dry, then let's put this issue to bed.
    Why does his religion matter so much to people... first everybody wanted to jump to think he was Muslim, and now, nobody wants to say he is Christian.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    By his own words he acknowledges that he is not a christian. What he does in his manifesto is he creates new definitions for Christianity. For instance, if someone declared themselves to he a homosexual who is not attracted to a person of the same sex but is attracted to members of the opposite sex, then no matter how much this person declared themselves to be a homosexual, they wouldn't qualify.

    Breivik's own words:

    If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform.

    He's declaring that there exist two categories of Christians, those who are religious and those who admire the cultural, social,identity and moral artifacts which arise within societies which are dominated by "religious Christians."

    There certainly is a category for people who qualify under his definition but they're not Christians. They'd be better described as Westerners or Post-Enlightenment adherents, or Western Civilization fans.

    He's as confused as that nutty Christian preacher who thought she could simultaneously be a Muslim.
    I think he is saying he is Christian, but not religious... It's like a lot of people say they are Christian, but many of them don't go to church regularly.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    They guy identified with the Christian religion.

    He considered himself Christian.

    Case closed.


    The only direction this discussion is going to go in, is that the label Christian is subjective.


    Is Wake a Christian or not?
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    Let's debate Wake's Christian identity next.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They guy identified with the Christian religion.

    He considered himself Christian.

    Case closed....
    I think some folks are trying to wiggle out of having to acknowledge his Christian faith, so as to dissassociate him from other Christians.

    But if the Muslims could not do this with the 9-11 19, neither can Christians with Breivik.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think he is saying he is Christian, but not religious... It's like a lot of people say they are Christian, but many of them don't go to church regularly.
    The further one moves away from the mean level of concept definition the less claim one can lay to being within the ballpark of accuracy. Here is the tale of the Christian preacher who also claimed that she was a full-fledged Muslim at the same time.

    Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill.

    On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest.

    She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.

    Redding, who until recently was director of faith formation at St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral, has been a priest for more than 20 years. Now she's ready to tell people that, for the last 15 months, she's also been a Muslim drawn to the faith after an introduction to Islamic prayers left her profoundly moved.

    Her announcement has provoked surprise and bewilderment in many, raising an obvious question: How can someone be both a Christian and a Muslim?

    ABB is in her territory of crafting his own definitions. People upthread claim that anyone who claims to be something is that something. So if I claim that I am a tree, then everyone must accept me as a tree. That's a purposely extreme example, but so is ABBs case. He manages to reconcile the existence of Christian Atheists, you know people who believe in god and reject his existence at the same time.

    Being a Christian Muslim, being a Christian Atheist, me being a tree, are all claims that are divorced from reality.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't get it, right wingers. Why all the fuss to try and distance yourselves from this man? I mean sure, I get that none of you espouse his ideas of a crusade and killing people but ideologically speaking, he is a right wing Christian fundamentalist. When it's the left's turn we actually acknowledge that the guy is a leftist (see Ayers, Weathermen Group etc.) while trying to ensure that the person is labelled accurately within the leftist subsections of ideological thought(ie. socialist, communist, progressive etc.). What we distance ourselves from is their actions as that is what makes them fundamentalists. I've never seen anybody on the left claim that the left isn't environmentally conscious and believes in having policies which reflect that. What we, the modern left, distance ourselves from is senselessly violent action in order to achieve said goals. Yet the right wing almost NEVER takes any kind of responsibility for those who not only espouse their ideas but also promote violence within their ranks. They do it with Hitler, homegrown terrorists etc. The right is almost too afraid to claim their terrorists, leaders, etc. George Bush wasn't a Conservative. McVeigh wasn't right wing. McCarthy wasn't right wing. It's kind of silly. Acknowledging that you share ideological beliefs with somebody doesn't make you a fundamentalist. It's how you go on about said beliefs.
    It all comes down to the fact that some people want to believe their religion is better than others, and they are better people because of their religion... It's really ****ing stupid. Instead of judging each other and spilling blood, they should follow their holy scriptures and learn they aren't so different. It really is the same god. Some people are just stupid though...

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They guy identified with the Christian religion.

    He considered himself Christian.

    Case closed..
    I identify with trees.

    I am a tree.

    Case closed. Everyone must respect the validity of my claim that I am a tree.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Highway View Post
    Does it matter what the **** he is? The SOB killed a bunch of children for God sakes! However Im not surprised people are using this sick **** for their own political ends.
    It never should have mattered what he was... he wasn't a Muslim like a lot of people jumped to assume. It just doesn't matter what he was. I agree. If he happened to be a Muslim, then he would have been a Muslim. He considered himself Christian though... that's just how the cards fell.

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