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Thread: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Wake, making a poll doesn't change facts.
    The point of my polls is to gather data from both sides; I desire clarification.

    This situation is volatile, a situation that I don't have enough comprehensive data to form an argument. Merely, I know Breivik called himself a Christian, but then again I could kill people and call myself a Christian. Doesn't make me one. The thing is, radical Muslims follow the fullness of the Koran---they KEEL the infidels.

    There isn't a majority OR a minority that stones homosexuals or stones disrespectful children, etc. Do you know what Sharia Law is? I had the "pleasure" of watching a man have his hands cut off for stealing---saw it on YouTube. Crap like that happens under Sharia Law in those nations. Christians don't do that.

    There's a difference between nutjobs who think they're Christian, and a large following of zealous Muslims who follow the Koran "in full."


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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    So Christians who kill are not Christian, but Muslims who kill do so because they are Muslim. Your agenda is transparent. Your mind is closed and your OP duplicitous.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    So Christians who kill are not Christian, but Muslims who kill do so because they are Muslim. Your agenda is transparent. Your mind is closed and your OP duplicitous.
    By not thoroughly reading the post and you making blanket statements, you're showing that it is indeed you who is close-minded. You are oversimplifying matters and insulting me, to boot. It is indeed true that the terrorists who take the texts seriously and kill... take the texts seriously.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If I say that I am a tree, does that mean that I am a tree?\

    For a self-affirmation to be valid it has to be checked against reality. He writes this about his position:

    If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform.

    He's disclaiming a religious tie to Christianity and proclaiming a cultural tie to Christianity. His view on this issue makes allowance for a category of people he labels as Christian Atheists. Think about that - people who believe in Jesus/God and who also reject Jesus/God. The only way to make sense of Christian Atheists is to define Christian as a cultural identifier - now that term is something like European (embedded in a culture that was born in the Christian experience) Atheist.
    You are doing what you claimed I was doing, picking and choosing quotes outside of overall context. You are also making the mistake that you are the christian police, that you get to decide what is and is not christian. Does not work that way. Only he knows if he is a christian, and he explicitly claims to be one.

    No, the real problem is that some people want to cram him into Christianity so that they can make a meta-point, as you're doing, so that the same meta-point can be extended to Islam. This is as transparent as glass. Logic, and evidence, are thrown out the window in order to advance a nakedly plain political argument.
    I am not trying to make any "meta-point". A question was asked, I gave the answer. The irony in your last sentence is overwhelming.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    By not thoroughly reading the post and you making blanket statements, you're showing that it is indeed you who is close-minded. You are oversimplifying matters and insulting me, to boot. It is indeed true that the terrorists who take the texts seriously and kill... take the texts seriously.
    Regardless of which text they are taking seriously. This guy took your text seriously. Instead of trying to deny this, why not do something to make sure your text isn't abused this way again in the future?
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    By not thoroughly reading the post and you making blanket statements, you're showing that it is indeed you who is close-minded. You are oversimplifying matters and insulting me, to boot. It is indeed true that the terrorists who take the texts seriously and kill... take the texts seriously.
    Which part of what you said differs from my commentary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ...I know Breivik called himself a Christian, but then again I could kill people and call myself a Christian. Doesn't make me one. The thing is, radical Muslims follow the fullness of the Koran---they KEEL the infidels...
    Self described Christian Breivik kills to preserve Christianity, but according to your "logic" this is incompatible with Christianity. Any "radical" Muslim, however is merely expressing the tenets of Islam. (in your mind). You betray your biased judgemental treatment of different branches of the same Abrahamic faith in the framing of your alleged quest for clarification. Confirmation of your bigotry is what you actually seek.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    He sure doesn't follow Christianity. There's a lot of room between Christian and atheist though.


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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Basically, IS Anders Breivik a Christian? I'm getting a lot of conflicting data from Christian organizations to, lol, Media Matters.

    Can you help me with this? It seems Breivik will eternally be deemed a Christian to further their pro-Islam.stance...
    I consider him a Christian because he calls himself a Christian. A Christian is simply someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God and died for our sins. Who are you or I to judge his faith?

    and btw, the New Testament is clear as to which Christians are not real Christians, and those those who commit murder are not listed as being not real Christians.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Self described Christian Breivik kills to preserve Christianity, but according to your "logic" this is incompatible with Christianity. Any "radical" Muslim, however is merely expressing the tenets of Islam. (in your mind). You betray your biased judgemental treatment of different branches of the same Abrahamic faith in the framing of your alleged quest for clarification. Confirmation of your bigotry is what you actually seek.
    I haven't made up my mind.

    Saying I have confirmation bigotry/bias is a bit ironic, imho, because we all do that. Furthermore, calling people bigots in debate is a mistake.

    I can understand your view, but you know there are major differences in these religions. There is no sect of Christianity that's stuck in the 6-7th century, that is a culture based on killing through Jihad.

    You know there were many reformations within Christianity. They don't have a subculture that's stuck far in the past that follows pretty much all of the violent texts of the Koran.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ...Saying I have confirmation bigotry/bias is a bit ironic, imho, because we all do that. Furthermore, calling people bigots in debate is a mistake...
    What if they constantly and consistently express bigotry?

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