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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    For someone with no dog in this hunt, there's an awful lot of crashing around blasting off at imagined anti-Christians.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    For someone with no dog in this hunt, there's an awful lot of crashing around blasting off at imagined anti-Christians.
    1.) I'm lying and really am a Christian but pretend not to be.
    2.) I'm anti-liberal, so if they're anti-religion I'll argue in defense of religion.
    3.) My argument is the most parsimonious and I like to attack weaker arguments.

    Hint: The answer is #3.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    1.) I'm lying and really am a Christian but pretend not to be.
    2.) I'm anti-liberal, so if they're anti-religion I'll argue in defense of religion.
    3.) My argument is the most parsimonious and I like to attack weaker arguments.

    Hint: The answer is #3.
    Well not really.

    You're good with words (and colouring inside the lines I'm sure) but long sentences and paragaphs don't mask obvious denial and smoke screens.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well not really.

    You're good with words (and colouring inside the lines I'm sure) but long sentences and paragaphs don't mask obvious denial and smoke screens.
    A good hypothesis must take ALL of the available facts and incorporate them into a whole. The other lines of argument that have been floated in here selectively use some facts and conveniently ignore others in order to advance their points.

    Christian Atheist anyone. Hello. Bueller. Bueller?

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    I don't get it, right wingers. Why all the fuss to try and distance yourselves from this man? I mean sure, I get that none of you espouse his ideas of a crusade and killing people but ideologically speaking, he is a right wing Christian fundamentalist. When it's the left's turn we actually acknowledge that the guy is a leftist (see Ayers, Weathermen Group etc.) while trying to ensure that the person is labelled accurately within the leftist subsections of ideological thought(ie. socialist, communist, progressive etc.). What we distance ourselves from is their actions as that is what makes them fundamentalists. I've never seen anybody on the left claim that the left isn't environmentally conscious and believes in having policies which reflect that. What we, the modern left, distance ourselves from is senselessly violent action in order to achieve said goals. Yet the right wing almost NEVER takes any kind of responsibility for those who not only espouse their ideas but also promote violence within their ranks. They do it with Hitler, homegrown terrorists etc. The right is almost too afraid to claim their terrorists, leaders, etc. George Bush wasn't a Conservative. McVeigh wasn't right wing. McCarthy wasn't right wing. It's kind of silly. Acknowledging that you share ideological beliefs with somebody doesn't make you a fundamentalist. It's how you go on about said beliefs.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't get it, right wingers. Why all the fuss to try and distance yourselves from this man? I mean sure, I get that none of you espouse his ideas of a crusade and killing people but ideologically speaking, he is a right wing Christian fundamentalist.
    1.) You are a rare bird and a free thinker. I can't recall the last time I saw a liberal actually use the phrase "right wing" instead of "far right." It's like the political spectrum goes Communist-Socialist-Extreme Left-Far Left, Progressive, Liberal, Moderate, Far Right. So congratulations.

    2.) It's a more than fair assessment to say this guy was right wing. Not so much Christian fundamentalist. That's the religious version of the far-right example above. Even if this guy was a Christian, there's nothing fundamentalist about him. Fundamentalists are the one's who are deep into the bible and are the most religious of the religious people.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    1.) You are a rare bird and a free thinker. I can't recall the last time I saw a liberal actually use the phrase "right wing" instead of "far right." It's like the political spectrum goes Communist-Socialist-Extreme Left-Far Left, Progressive, Liberal, Moderate, Far Right. So congratulations.

    2.) It's a more than fair assessment to say this guy was right wing. Not so much Christian fundamentalist. That's the religious version of the far-right example above. Even if this guy was a Christian, there's nothing fundamentalist about him. Fundamentalists are the one's who are deep into the bible and are the most religious of the religious people.
    He is a fundamentalist in that he believes in a return to the original presence of Christianity in Europe. He's a regular modern day preacher of Christendom. Christians for much of history wouldn't have recognized having a "personal relationship with God". That, from my understanding of history is a 19th century Protestant wording of one's religious background. The separation created by the Catholic church and followers of the church made it impossible for most of the faithful to have a relationship with god that could be called 'personal'. This leads me to the assertion that for the overwhelming majority of Christianity's existence, it has been a social, cultural and moral institution and Anders Breivik's is in fact a Christian in the historical sense of the word.
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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    He's a dumbass. Next?

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He is a fundamentalist in that he believes in a return to the original presence of Christianity in Europe. He's a regular modern day preacher of Christendom. Christians for much of history wouldn't have recognized having a "personal relationship with God". That, from my understanding of history is a 19th century Protestant wording of one's religious background. The separation created by the Catholic church and followers of the church made it impossible for most of the faithful to have a relationship with god that could be called 'personal'. This leads me to the assertion that for the overwhelming majority of Christianity's existence, it has been a social, cultural and moral institution and Anders Breivik's is in fact a Christian in the historical sense of the word.
    You got that backwards. The Protestants seperated from the Catholic church. Hence, the "protest" part. It's the Catholics that believe you have to go through a priest to talk to God.

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    Re: Is Anders Breivik an Atheist or a Christian?

    Does it matter what the **** he is? The SOB killed a bunch of children for God sakes! However Im not surprised people are using this sick **** for their own political ends.
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