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Thread: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Here we go...of course its the workers fault...<eyeroll>
    To a certain degree he's right. Pension and health care costs are killing USPS. And pension is largely based on wages. If we strip out legacy costs, then USPS is actually doing fine. USPS is in the same problem Detroit was prior to their bankruptcy packages.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then adjust wages for the local area, but paying a flat rate all over the country is a bit ridiculous.
    The starting wage for mail workers is much greater than the starting wage for production (factory) employees and cops in my area.

    That's a bit screwed up.
    Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....
    Well, we could always strip the pensions and force them onto SS when they retire...

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....
    too much money? wages are based mainly on the labor market. The postal service pays higher wages than equivalent jobs in the private sector. I know this because I have seen dozens of cases where people lost postal employment. In every case they couldn't find similar employment in the private sector that paid anywhere near what they made at USPS



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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....
    No it's not that, that's not my issue.
    My issue is that the wages paid, for the work done is unreasonable.

    The USPS is a publicly funded operation, seeing that they can't turn a profit without the infusion of tax dollars to keep them afloat.
    Something needs to be done to reflect the reality of the world we live in.
    The number 1 thing is adjusting their wages and retirement benefits to reflect that of the average worker in similar industries.

    Cops here start at $12 an hour, the inside postal clerks start at much higher rates.
    How much sense does that make?
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    I would deeply appreciate it if you would stop responding to my posts. I find your tone offensive and your one-liners annoying.
    You do realize this is a debate forum, don't you? If you don't want people responding to your posts, don't post.

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    I wonder how many more good paying jobs this will cost us.
    A job only actually exists, it's only real, if it's doing something usefull that can't be done without that job. I agree that a usefull job shold pay reasonably.

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The USPS is a publicly funded operation, seeing that they can't turn a profit without the infusion of tax dollars to keep them afloat.
    But that's the real point, right? The USPS doesn't NEED to turn a profit, it's not private. It has to exist because it's public and serves everyone where as private companies don't have to. It ensures that there is at least one means open for everyone to have access to mail. It's probably something we should keep for the time being.

    you can make the argument that wages are too high, and perhaps (I never actually looked into it). But there's no necessity that they turn a profit. The USPS doesn't need to make money, it needs to exist and function.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But that's the real point, right? The USPS doesn't NEED to turn a profit, it's not private. It has to exist because it's public and serves everyone where as private companies don't have to. It ensures that there is at least one means open for everyone to have access to mail. It's probably something we should keep for the time being.

    you can make the argument that wages are too high, and perhaps (I never actually looked into it). But there's no necessity that they turn a profit. The USPS doesn't need to make money, it needs to exist and function.
    USPS needs to not lose money, which means that they really should turn a small profit to cover any future losses or to keep the pension system well funded.

    Pissing money away because they don't have to turn a profit is not smart.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Like a moron consulting with a retard.
    What do you think should be done?




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