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Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

Should our USPS have greater automony


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Im glad my attitude has changed...listening to some of you on this forum has assured I will vote democrat...your hating on labor and you intense desire to deny ALL working class a decent living I find appalling....listening to you and few others on here harry everyone is OVERPAID but of course you

wow, we are shocked we all figured you really were a moderate
 
Then adjust wages for the local area, but paying a flat rate all over the country is a bit ridiculous.
The starting wage for mail workers is much greater than the starting wage for production (factory) employees and cops in my area.

That's a bit screwed up.

true-the post office is considered a premier job if you don't have a college degree. Indeed most of those in the higher EAS pay grades rarely have a full four year degree.

In all fairness, some of the best managers only have HS diplomas. SDO (supervisor-distribution operations) etc don't require college to do the job well. SDOs are often in the EAS 16 range. MDO (Managers, Distribution Operations) are in the 17-18 at the big offices and once you hit EAS 20 you are dealing with a local branch's postmaster or OIC (officer in charge-usually a detail with the same power as a postmaster). EAS 22-24 tend to be people near the top of Districts
 
Exactly this isnt an inefficiency issue its basically a lack of business issue...I read mail is 20% of what it was at peak...so closing post offices makes sense..so does ending saturday deliveries....

No, it's not even that. It's legacy costs. Consider the last 5 years of financial reporting. Strip out the legacy costs and USPS either makes a sizable profit or breaks near even. Honestly, I don't see how you people think you can discuss this topic without first cracking open its reported financials.
 
No, it's not even that. It's legacy costs. Consider the last 5 years of financial reporting. Strip out the legacy costs and USPS either makes a sizable profit or breaks near even. Honestly, I don't see how you people think you can discuss this topic without first cracking open its reported financials.

absolutely true.
 
Here we go...of course its the workers fault...<eyeroll>

To a certain degree he's right. Pension and health care costs are killing USPS. And pension is largely based on wages. If we strip out legacy costs, then USPS is actually doing fine. USPS is in the same problem Detroit was prior to their bankruptcy packages.
 
Then adjust wages for the local area, but paying a flat rate all over the country is a bit ridiculous.
The starting wage for mail workers is much greater than the starting wage for production (factory) employees and cops in my area.

That's a bit screwed up.

Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....
 
Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....

Well, we could always strip the pensions and force them onto SS when they retire...
 
Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....

too much money? wages are based mainly on the labor market. The postal service pays higher wages than equivalent jobs in the private sector. I know this because I have seen dozens of cases where people lost postal employment. In every case they couldn't find similar employment in the private sector that paid anywhere near what they made at USPS
 
Whats screwed up to me harry is this attitude that everyone makes too much money but the privledged class....

No it's not that, that's not my issue.
My issue is that the wages paid, for the work done is unreasonable.

The USPS is a publicly funded operation, seeing that they can't turn a profit without the infusion of tax dollars to keep them afloat.
Something needs to be done to reflect the reality of the world we live in.
The number 1 thing is adjusting their wages and retirement benefits to reflect that of the average worker in similar industries.

Cops here start at $12 an hour, the inside postal clerks start at much higher rates.
How much sense does that make?
 
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I would deeply appreciate it if you would stop responding to my posts. I find your tone offensive and your one-liners annoying.
You do realize this is a debate forum, don't you? If you don't want people responding to your posts, don't post. :doh

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I wonder how many more good paying jobs this will cost us.

A job only actually exists, it's only real, if it's doing something usefull that can't be done without that job. I agree that a usefull job shold pay reasonably.
 
The USPS is a publicly funded operation, seeing that they can't turn a profit without the infusion of tax dollars to keep them afloat.

But that's the real point, right? The USPS doesn't NEED to turn a profit, it's not private. It has to exist because it's public and serves everyone where as private companies don't have to. It ensures that there is at least one means open for everyone to have access to mail. It's probably something we should keep for the time being.

you can make the argument that wages are too high, and perhaps (I never actually looked into it). But there's no necessity that they turn a profit. The USPS doesn't need to make money, it needs to exist and function.
 
But that's the real point, right? The USPS doesn't NEED to turn a profit, it's not private. It has to exist because it's public and serves everyone where as private companies don't have to. It ensures that there is at least one means open for everyone to have access to mail. It's probably something we should keep for the time being.

you can make the argument that wages are too high, and perhaps (I never actually looked into it). But there's no necessity that they turn a profit. The USPS doesn't need to make money, it needs to exist and function.

USPS needs to not lose money, which means that they really should turn a small profit to cover any future losses or to keep the pension system well funded.

Pissing money away because they don't have to turn a profit is not smart.
 
too much money? wages are based mainly on the labor market. The postal service pays higher wages than equivalent jobs in the private sector. I know this because I have seen dozens of cases where people lost postal employment. In every case they couldn't find similar employment in the private sector that paid anywhere near what they made at USPS

Name a similar job and even if you could...its the private sector job thats UNDERPAID so the pigs at the trough can squeeze more from their workers
 
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