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Thread: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    amazing...

    Carriers Your mail carrier makes between $41,167 and $53,853 if he works full-time. Part-time carriers are paid an hourly rate between $20.58 and $21.49. Mail carriers also get additional compensation from overtime and night-shift different...

    Thats outrageously overpaid ? for working in all kinds of weather...and delivering your mail in a timely fashion everyday....Harry just what do you think everyone should get paid ? I mean this is all getting beyond ridiculous...
    several faults with your yappings

    1) overtime. and your numbers are a bit low depending on the steps. and once you hit the EAS levels the pay really goes up but the average pay and benefit for unionized employees is 63K a year

    2) what do comparable UPS/FEDEX workers make?


    Post Office Pay Scales. The PS Full Time Annual Rates by Step and Grade.



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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes it is.
    I would not pay letter carriers $20 an hour, it wouldn't even be offered.
    $11-15 is a good starting point per hour.

    The only mail that get delivered to me is junk mail, I use a P.O. Box.

    Im glad my attitude has changed...listening to some of you on this forum has assured I will vote democrat...your hating on labor and you intense desire to deny ALL working class a decent living I find appalling....listening to you and few others on here harry everyone is OVERPAID but of course you

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im glad my attitude has changed...listening to some of you on this forum has assured I will vote democrat...your hating on labor and you intense desire to deny ALL working class a decent living I find appalling....listening to you and few others on here harry everyone is OVERPAID but of course you
    What are you talking about?
    There is no reason to pay them that much, that is really an above market wage for the "work" they do.

    Yes I want to deny myself a decent living.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im glad my attitude has changed...listening to some of you on this forum has assured I will vote democrat...your hating on labor and you intense desire to deny ALL working class a decent living I find appalling....listening to you and few others on here harry everyone is OVERPAID but of course you

    Harry no one can survive in NYC without living like a dog on 20 bucks an hour...you need to realize there are different areas of the country with hugely varying cost of livings....you may be able to survive like a human being in South Dakota...

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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Harry no one can survive in NYC without living like a dog on 20 bucks an hour...you need to realize there are different areas of the country with hugely varying cost of livings....you may be able to survive like a human being in South Dakota...
    Then adjust wages for the local area, but paying a flat rate all over the country is a bit ridiculous.
    The starting wage for mail workers is much greater than the starting wage for production (factory) employees and cops in my area.

    That's a bit screwed up.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im glad my attitude has changed...listening to some of you on this forum has assured I will vote democrat...your hating on labor and you intense desire to deny ALL working class a decent living I find appalling....listening to you and few others on here harry everyone is OVERPAID but of course you
    wow, we are shocked we all figured you really were a moderate



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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't exist to be a bottomless money pit, either.
    It exists because the Constitution requires it.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then adjust wages for the local area, but paying a flat rate all over the country is a bit ridiculous.
    The starting wage for mail workers is much greater than the starting wage for production (factory) employees and cops in my area.

    That's a bit screwed up.
    true-the post office is considered a premier job if you don't have a college degree. Indeed most of those in the higher EAS pay grades rarely have a full four year degree.

    In all fairness, some of the best managers only have HS diplomas. SDO (supervisor-distribution operations) etc don't require college to do the job well. SDOs are often in the EAS 16 range. MDO (Managers, Distribution Operations) are in the 17-18 at the big offices and once you hit EAS 20 you are dealing with a local branch's postmaster or OIC (officer in charge-usually a detail with the same power as a postmaster). EAS 22-24 tend to be people near the top of Districts



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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Exactly this isnt an inefficiency issue its basically a lack of business issue...I read mail is 20% of what it was at peak...so closing post offices makes sense..so does ending saturday deliveries....
    No, it's not even that. It's legacy costs. Consider the last 5 years of financial reporting. Strip out the legacy costs and USPS either makes a sizable profit or breaks near even. Honestly, I don't see how you people think you can discuss this topic without first cracking open its reported financials.
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    Re: Should our USPS have greater say in its day to day operations ?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, it's not even that. It's legacy costs. Consider the last 5 years of financial reporting. Strip out the legacy costs and USPS either makes a sizable profit or breaks near even. Honestly, I don't see how you people think you can discuss this topic without first cracking open its reported financials.
    absolutely true.



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