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Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

Are the Democrat Party and Obama Deliberatley Bankrupting America?

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LibLoather

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Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race, they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.
 
LibLoather said:
Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race, they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.
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If you don't want to have an honest debate on this issue, just go away.
 
That question is akin to those who think the Republicans are deliberately trying to crash the economy so that they can win the election.
 
I'm not sure if he's doing on purpose. I know that the Cloward & Piven model teaches to do just that to push through an agenda in the midst of chaos. And Obama has taught Cloward & Piven before..... I lean toward him doing it on purpose, but I think he cares more about being re-elected.
 
rocket88 said:
That question is akin to those who think the Republicans are deliberately trying to crash the economy so that they can win the election.
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I think SOME Republicans won't vote for a bill that will actually help so they can blame it all on Obama. Don't you?
 
Mellie said:
I'm not sure if he's doing on purpose. I know that the Cloward & Piven model teaches to do just that to push through an agenda in the midst of chaos. And Obama has taught Cloward & Piven before..... I lean toward him doing it on purpose, but I think he cares more about being re-elected.
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He's too smart not to be doing it deliberately, he truly believes whites have and continue to oppress blacks and other minorities. He is bent on equalizing things via the tax code and regulations.
 
Mellie said:
I think SOME Republicans won't vote for a bill that will actually help so they can blame it all on Obama. Don't you?
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What about the inverse? How about all the democrats that voted for ObamaCare knowing it's a disaster; in fact several have already stated that ObamaCare "needs to be fixed".
 
Anybody who thinks that Obama is intentionally trying to destroy the economy, or America...

Is on the crazy train and has LOST THE GAME!
 
LibLoather said:
Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race, they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.
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Obama has consistently stated from Day 1 that his interests lie in the benefit of all Americans. That's it - Americans, specifically blue-collar. He has never isolated his interests or agendas to black people. I think the man is smart enough to realize that accusing him [a black man] of serving the interests of blacks, would be a likely accusation against him.

And even with no substant proof, you're making that accusation.
 
Yeah, the Dems and Obama are bankrupting America. And before them the Republicans were doing it. I don't think the Democrats and Obama want to destroy the economy, but their ideals and current methods aren't helping at all.
 
digsbe said:
Yeah, the Dems and Obama are bankrupting America. And before them the Republicans were doing it. I don't think the Democrats and Obama want to destroy the economy, but their ideals and current methods aren't helping at all.
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That pretty much sums it up in a fair manner...Obama and democrats want nothing more right now than the economy to flourish...if it stays like this they are cooked and they know it.
 
digsbe said:
Yeah, the Dems and Obama are bankrupting America. And before them the Republicans were doing it. I don't think the Democrats and Obama want to destroy the economy, but their ideals and current methods aren't helping at all.
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why would we even discuss the suggestion that high members of our political office want to destroy the country?

think about the scary implications of what you're saying. if our leaders want to destroy our economy, they are essentially terrorists and that would call for nothing but revolution.

you're making a pretty strong statement
 
AdminX said:
Obama has consistently stated from Day 1 that his interests lie in the benefit of all Americans. That's it - Americans, specifically blue-collar. He has never isolated his interests or agendas to black people. I think the man is smart enough to realize that accusing him [a black man] of serving the interests of blacks, would be a likely accusation against him.

And even with no substant proof, you're making that accusation.
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No proof? Have you paid any attention to the things he and the democrat party have done that disproportionately benefit blacks? Here are a few examples,

- Signed executive order to gut the "workfare" requirement of the 1990's welfare reform
- Giving another blank check to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Authority to expand home "ownership" among lower-income people
- Income redistribution on a massive scale (via tax hikes and stimulus bills -- and by the way, stimulus views vary by race, with African-Americans far more in favor of it than whites, Hispanics, or Native Americans)
- Pigford Fraud (i.e., giving blacks federal farm subsidies for large scale "farming" such as a tomato garden in their back yard)
- ObamaCare and Medicaid expansion despite all the polls showing that most Americans are happy with their own medical care and do not want the intrusion of government, the massive deficits, and the tax increases that will come with such "reform."
- Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
 
LibLoather said:
No proof? Have you paid any attention to the things he and the democrat party have done that disproportionately benefit blacks? Here are a few examples,

- Signed executive order to gut the "workfare" requirement of the 1990's welfare reform
- Giving another blank check to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Authority to expand home "ownership" among lower-income people
- Income redistribution on a massive scale (via tax hikes and stimulus bills -- and by the way, stimulus views vary by race, with African-Americans far more in favor of it than whites, Hispanics, or Native Americans)
- Pigford Fraud (i.e., giving blacks federal farm subsidies for large scale "farming" such as a tomato garden in their back yard)
- ObamaCare and Medicaid expansion despite all the polls showing that most Americans are happy with their own medical care and do not want the intrusion of government, the massive deficits, and the tax increases that will come with such "reform."
- Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
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And again I say, he is not trying to disproportionately benefit blacks. Everything you just listed addresses working class, lower-income Americans. Not blacks. You have to understand, it's not about race, it's about the financial welfare of Americans. If the bills he passes happen to cover blacks in the majority, that's inconsequential. Would it better if all of these things you listed were predominately helping whites, asians, latinos?

There's always going to be a race that is benefited in the majority by some law. You can't just condemn him because his fight for lower-class Americans is helping blacks. And in reverse, you can't expect him to NOT fight for the working class or some special interest, simply because it does help blacks.

You talk like Obama has to avoid every effort if somehow it's advantage goes mostly to blacks. Please rethink.
 
The poll misspelled "Democratic."
 
Are the Democrat Party and Obama Deliberatley Bankrupting America?
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Yup, we are in a conspiracy with the Kenyan, you found us out!

And, we are doing it "deliberatley." :sun
 
lpast said:
That pretty much sums it up in a fair manner...Obama and democrats want nothing more right now than the economy to flourish...if it stays like this they are cooked and they know it.
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Which is somewhat why the GOP is going to prevent as much job creating activity as they can possibly manage. What amuses me is the idiots who fall for the idea that only tax hikes will hurt the economy. Honestly, there is no reason for the GOP to actually try to improve the economy until November 3rd 2012 and they have plenty of reasons to hurt it the point where it will cost Obama reelection.
 
LibLoather said:
No proof? Have you paid any attention to the things he and the democrat party have done that disproportionately benefit blacks? Here are a few examples,

- Signed executive order to gut the "workfare" requirement of the 1990's welfare reform
- Giving another blank check to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Authority to expand home "ownership" among lower-income people
- Income redistribution on a massive scale (via tax hikes and stimulus bills -- and by the way, stimulus views vary by race, with African-Americans far more in favor of it than whites, Hispanics, or Native Americans)
- Pigford Fraud (i.e., giving blacks federal farm subsidies for large scale "farming" such as a tomato garden in their back yard)
- ObamaCare and Medicaid expansion despite all the polls showing that most Americans are happy with their own medical care and do not want the intrusion of government, the massive deficits, and the tax increases that will come with such "reform."
- Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
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How was the Obama stimulus different than the Bush stimulus?
Wasn't the Pigford decision made in 1999? Yes it was. How is that an example of Obama giving money to black people?
Polls also show that Americans wanted health care reform.

You'll notice that I didn't address all of your points and that I didn't provide any statistics. That's because this discussion is not worth me wasting my time thoroughly showing your argument to be absurd and false.

Isn't Obama working with the Republicans to address government spending as we speak? Remember the repeated offers to make cuts to entitlement programs in exhange for increased revenues? That's what's happening here. Democrats don't want to cut entitlement programs unless Republicans agree to a tax increase for the wealthiest Americans. Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous.
 
Mustachio said:
How was the Obama stimulus different than the Bush stimulus?
Wasn't the Pigford decision made in 1999? Yes it was. How is that an example of Obama giving money to black people?
Polls also show that Americans wanted health care reform.

You'll notice that I didn't address all of your points and that I didn't provide any statistics. That's because this discussion is not worth me wasting my time thoroughly showing your argument to be absurd and false.

Isn't Obama working with the Republicans to address government spending as we speak? Remember the repeated offers to make cuts to entitlement programs in exhange for increased revenues? That's what's happening here. Democrats don't want to cut entitlement programs unless Republicans agree to a tax increase for the wealthiest Americans. Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous.
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It really is. I feel guilty that I actually took the time to give a thoughtful response. Apparently any programs that seek to help out the lower-income are a secret agenda to empower blacks.

One day Obama is a Terrorist-sympathizer, the next he's a Black Panther. Go figure.
 
Mustachio said:
How was the Obama stimulus different than the Bush stimulus?
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Less tax cuts more direct spending. Which was appropriate. Hacks tend to ignore that Bush's 2008 stimulus bill basically did nothing but increase the deficit as those who received the tax rebates just saved it. Tax cuts work..except for that time.

Wasn't the Pigford decision made in 1999? Yes it was. How is that an example of Obama giving money to black people?
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For the same reason the Black Plague was Clinton's fault. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
 
Wow...I dislike Obama yet I find the original post, and subsequent posts from that poster to be idiotic. I'll admit that I am surprised that Obama hasn't tried to give blacks more...but frankly everything Obama has done has equality written all over it when it comes to race. Not one of his proposals, or bills that he has signed, is directed at blacks solely. It has all been directed at all races.

Now classes (IE rich, poor, middle class)...thats a different matter altogether.
 
AdminX said:
And again I say, he is not trying to disproportionately benefit blacks. Everything you just listed addresses working class, lower-income Americans. Not blacks. You have to understand, it's not about race, it's about the financial welfare of Americans. If the bills he passes happen to cover blacks in the majority, that's inconsequential. Would it better if all of these things you listed were predominately helping whites, asians, latinos?

There's always going to be a race that is benefited in the majority by some law. You can't just condemn him because his fight for lower-class Americans is helping blacks. And in reverse, you can't expect him to NOT fight for the working class or some special interest, simply because it does help blacks.

You talk like Obama has to avoid every effort if somehow it's advantage goes mostly to blacks. Please rethink.
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No, LibLoather is accurately diagnosing a central theme to Obama's governance. You're wrong when you try to disguise these efforts as merely class-based policies. You're egregiously wrong when you write "Everything you just listed addresses working class, lower-income Americans. Not blacks" for the refutation of that statement is seen directly in LibLoather's post, to wit:

- Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.​

"Minority inclusion" no matter how much you try to distort the language is not a synonym for "lower class people."

LibLoather neglected to mention how Obamacare is laced through with Affirmative Action mandates, such as:

"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the (HHS) secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds." (House Obamacare Bill Page 909)
 
AdminX said:
Obama has consistently stated from Day 1 that his interests lie in the benefit of all Americans.
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Well, that just settles the matter. Who wouldn't take a known liar at his word?
 
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