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Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

Are the Democrat Party and Obama Deliberatley Bankrupting America?


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No, LibLoather is accurately diagnosing a central theme to Obama's governance. You're wrong when you try to disguise these efforts as merely class-based policies. You're egregiously wrong when you write "Everything you just listed addresses working class, lower-income Americans. Not blacks" for the refutation of that statement is seen directly in LibLoather's post, to wit:

- Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.​

"Minority inclusion" no matter how much you try to distort the language is not a synonym for "lower class people."

LibLoather neglected to mention how Obamacare is laced through with Affirmative Action mandates, such as:

"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the (HHS) secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds." (House Obamacare Bill Page 909)

It's funny to see such an uproar when a country that, historically, had a hard Minority Exclusion rule, suddenly start throwing a bone to minorities. The fact is, political power is still very largely white. Very. Obama's few side-mandates for minorities or nothing more than an effort to balance the scale, not tip it on the side of blacks. Furthermore, "minority inclusion" is not 'minority requirement', it's simply an open door, for the minorities of this country, to elevate their societal status.

You have to remember that the term "minority" is not assigned to a skin color, it's assigned to a class of nationality, which can include blond-hair blue-eye Swedes. Obama's central initiative has never been aimed at skin color, despite how confusing that may seem to you considering he's black. What Obama seeks to do is stop the Republican-base from shoving minorities further and further down the hole, due to laws that are already aimed against them, and put them in the position to actually participate in their country.

As far as Grants and Contracts - please check your local government websites. Grants are designed to address special groups and segments within our country - Minorities, Widowers, Students, Tech, Farming, etc. Obama is famous for his grants and contracts aimed at Small Business. Yet you again cherry-pick any initiatives of his that address minorities, and act like it's all-encompassing of his actions.
 
Well, that just settles the matter. Who wouldn't take a known liar at his word?

You use the term "known liar" in the world of politics. Really? Yes, because even if that were true, Obama is surely the only known liar sitting in the white house. Because, ya know, no republicans are known liars. You probably shouldnt have posted this.
 
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Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race,

:lamo

they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.

So in other words, you're saying that blacks are less talented, less intelligent, and less hardworking than whites. :roll:
Anyone want to start a pool on how long this guy lasts? I'm gonna go with 4 days.
 
It's funny to see such an uproar when a country that, historically, had a hard Minority Exclusion rule, suddenly start throwing a bone to minorities. The fact is, political power is still very largely white.

You're linking together two disparate concepts. The fact that political power is still largely white has no bearing on instituting race-based programs. The linkage that you require in order to validate this line of argument is one which demonstrates that there is an equivalence between political power being largely white and this resulting in government programs which exclusively benefit whites. You won't find white-only programs delivered in this nation. This means that your reference to white political power is a red herring and your equivalence falters.

Obama's few side-mandates for minorities or nothing more than an effort to balance the scale, not tip it on the side of blacks.

Your justification is no more than a shifting of the goal posts. This tactic allows you to offer a rebuttal but it's a rebuttal against a strawman. I didn't argue that Obama was shifting the government to the side of blacks, rather I pointed out that he's injecting racial preferences into legislation that has no bearing on race, such as Finance Reform and ObamaCare. Your point doesn't address that issue and your framing of "it's not as bad as you make it" is just a distraction that allows you to avoid conceding the point.

Furthermore, "minority inclusion" is not 'minority requirement', it's simply an open door, for the minorities of this country, to elevate their societal status.

Nice try at the semantics dodge, but there is ample evidence of similar programs, in fact all similar programs, being de facto "minority requirement" programs.

You have to remember that the term "minority" is not assigned to a skin color, it's assigned to a class of nationality, which can include blond-hair blue-eye Swedes.

Are you engaging in some type of performance art or are you a non-American residing in some other country? If a blond,blue-eyed Swede tried to qualify for these programs on the rational that Swedes are not the majority of the population in the US he'd be laughed out of the room and his story would take on an infamy that would last forever.

It's hard for me to take you seriously when you tell me that I should "remember" that Swedes count as minority applicants for Affirmative Action programs.

You use the term "known liar" in the world of politics. Really? Yes, because even if that were true, Obama is surely the only known liar sitting in the white house. Because, ya know, no republicans are known liars. You probably shouldnt have posted this.

No, it's you who shouldn't post a politician's self-serving comments as dispositive proof of their truthfulness. That shows a remarkable degree of naivete.
 
You're linking together two disparate concepts. The fact that political power is still largely white has no bearing on instituting race-based programs. The linkage that you require in order to validate this line of argument is one which demonstrates that there is an equivalence between political power being largely white and this resulting in government programs which exclusively benefit whites. You won't find white-only programs delivered in this nation. This means that your reference to white political power is a red herring and your equivalence falters.



Your justification is no more than a shifting of the goal posts. This tactic allows you to offer a rebuttal but it's a rebuttal against a strawman. I didn't argue that Obama was shifting the government to the side of blacks, rather I pointed out that he's injecting racial preferences into legislation that has no bearing on race, such as Finance Reform and ObamaCare. Your point doesn't address that issue and your framing of "it's not as bad as you make it" is just a distraction that allows you to avoid conceding the point.



Nice try at the semantics dodge, but there is ample evidence of similar programs, in fact all similar programs, being de facto "minority requirement" programs.



Are you engaging in some type of performance art or are you a non-American residing in some other country? If a blond,blue-eyed Swede tried to qualify for these programs on the rational that Swedes are not the majority of the population in the US he'd be laughed out of the room and his story would take on an infamy that would last forever.

It's hard for me to take you seriously when you tell me that I should "remember" that Swedes count as minority applicants for Affirmative Action programs.



No, it's you who shouldn't post a politician's self-serving comments as dispositive proof of their truthfulness. That shows a remarkable degree of naivete.

I haven't figured out how to do all the fancy quoting blocks things so it's going to have to be a lump-sum rebuttal, sorry.

Anyway.......

Your argument is so saturated with over-articulated wordy'ness that I'm not sure if you're making points, or auditioning for Americans Next Top Writer. First of all, you're acknowledging that American power is largely white, then turning around and saying there are no programs that exclusively benefit whites. When you have no programs designed to liberate minorities, then by default, non-minorities have favortism. That's how whites do have advantages, albeit "undocumented", but still advantages in the fact that secular oppression is leaving only one class to thrive: privileged, usually white. You have to face the fact that the system is structured in a way that there are holes......poor educational system in projects/"ghettos", biased lending/loan programs, and judicial bias. No, there are no white-only programs. There doesn't have to be when there are no restitution's given to minorities. That's what you're not understanding.

You still have yet to actually state anything concrete demonstrating his legislations are injecting racial preference. I can't argue a point you only posture to make, but actually didn't.

Please name a de facto minority-requirement program. Again, statements without a basis for even being stated. You do realize requiring the placement of a minority is racism, right? It's unconstitutional and I challenge you to quote just 1.

I am very American indeed. Born in NJ, moved to FL. Lived in WA and MD. My mention of a "swede" was an illustration. Again, I implore you to visit a Grant/Scholarship directory and see just how many programs out there do specifically make a call to a diverse set of groups. For example, the Irish, Native Americans, Latinos, etc.

Again, you called Obama a known liar. This following Bush, who I dare to presume you supported. A man who *everyone*, dare I say *everyone*, knows deceived the country into falsified war situations and false intelligence findings for his own agenda.

You're well spoken but your positions are very aimless.
 
First of all, you're acknowledging that American power is largely white, then turning around and saying there are no programs that exclusively benefit whites.

Think of it this way. If I point out to you that the NBA has a higher proportion of black players than the US has white population would you conclude that this means that the NBA is designed to reward black people with positions on basketball teams? You're making a causal link where no link exists. Whites has a lot of power in the US but that doesn't mean that they're exercising that power to benefit whites, just like the NBA isn't purposely creating a situation which results in black players having a massively disproportionate presence. The NBA governs itself with race-neutral principles, as does the white power structure in the US, and the results that develop develop naturally and without design.

When you have no programs designed to liberate minorities, then by default, non-minorities have favortism.

So, if the NBA doesn't have any programs designed to sign more white and Asian players, then by default, black athletes have favoritism? No, that's not the process that is in play. Race neutral positions don't have to produce equal outcomes and when equal outcomes are not produced that is not evidence in support of the claim that favoritism is at work.

You have to face the fact that the system is structured in a way that there are holes......poor educational system in projects/"ghettos", biased lending/loan programs, and judicial bias. No, there are no white-only programs. There doesn't have to be when there are no restitution's given to minorities. That's what you're not understanding.

I'm understanding your position just fine, I'm simply rejecting it totally. Biased lending isn't biased when credit scores are controlled for. Judicial bias is corrected when race-based crime statistics are referenced. Poor educational environments are irrelevant when we see the same differential race-based outcomes in high quality educational environments, for instance:

Last month, the school was cited for the second year in a row, this time because 37 percent of black students failed to meet standards in English, and 55 percent of blacks and 40 percent of Hispanics failed in math.

One of the standard complaints about No Child Left Behind by its critics in public education is that it punishes urban schools that are chronically underfinanced and already contending with a concentration of poor, nonwhite, bilingual and special-education pupils. Princeton could hardly be more different. It is an Ivy League town with a minority population of slightly more than 10 percent and per-student spending well above the state average. The high school sends 94 percent of its graduates to four-year colleges and offers 29 different Advanced Placement courses. Over all, 98 percent of Princeton High School students exceed the math and English standards required by No Child Left Behind.​

When you write that the "system is structured" in a way that discriminates against minorities you demonstrate that your mental model of how society function is at odds with the evidence. The system is structured to be race-neutral. The fact that the outcomes are not proportionate across race is not a design flaw in the system, or society at large. Equality doesn't require that minorities be granted "restitution" for that just infantilizes minorities and sends the message that they must be coddled and can't operate in a race-neutral society.

You still have yet to actually state anything concrete demonstrating his legislations are injecting racial preference.

What are you talking about? I quoted directly from ObamaCare legislation which mandates preferences for minorities in medical schools. The OP referenced the Financial Reform act which created departments designed to foster race-favoritism. Those are concrete references.

Please name a de facto minority-requirement program. Again, statements without a basis for even being stated.

Here's one that just broke last month:

In what could be a repeat of the easy-lending cycle that led to the housing crisis, the Justice Department has asked several banks to relax their mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination, according to court documents reviewed by IBD.

Prosecutions have already generated more than $20 million in loan set-asides and other subsidies from banks that have settled out of court rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist. An additional 60 banks are under investigation, a DOJ spokeswoman says.

No Job, No Problem

Settlements include setting aside prime-rate mortgages for low-income blacks and Hispanics with blemished credit and even counting "public assistance" as valid income in mortgage applications.

In several cases, the government has ordered bank defendants to post in all their branches and marketing materials a notice informing minority customers that they cannot be turned down for credit because they receive public aid, such as unemployment benefits, welfare payments or food stamps.​

Again, I implore you to visit a Grant/Scholarship directory and see just how many programs out there do specifically make a call to a diverse set of groups. For example, the Irish, Native Americans, Latinos, etc.

What private foundations do with the scholarships they offer is immaterial to the question of what our government, the government of all the citizens of the US, does with respect to discriminating on the basis of race. Obama's administration is neck-deep in pushing race-based policies and you not wanting that to be true doesn't erase it from happening.

Again, you called Obama a known liar. This following Bush, who I dare to presume you supported. A man who *everyone*, dare I say *everyone*, knows deceived the country into falsified war situations and false intelligence findings for his own agenda.

Another red herring. Bush is irrelevant. The issue is that you took an Obama statement and presented it as though it was a slam dunk refutation. That would be like someone arguing that the moon is made of cheese and then linking to Biden saying "the moon is made of cheese." The fact that Biden said that wouldn't make it true.
 
Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race, they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.

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Just when you think that the bottom of the barrel has been found, we discover that there are folks furiously digging a new basement under it.
 
Which is somewhat why the GOP is going to prevent as much job creating activity as they can possibly manage. What amuses me is the idiots who fall for the idea that only tax hikes will hurt the economy. Honestly, there is no reason for the GOP to actually try to improve the economy until November 3rd 2012 and they have plenty of reasons to hurt it the point where it will cost Obama reelection.

Agreed, its to the teapartys benefit to keep the economy stagnant till 2012...I predict right after the election no matter who wins....there will be a windfall of jobs created.....the stock market fell big time...let the fatcats start seeing their portfolios fall along with the little guys 401ks and watch how fast they kick the teaparty right in their ass
 
Obama has consistently stated from Day 1 that his interests lie in the benefit of all Americans. That's it - Americans, specifically blue-collar. He has never isolated his interests or agendas to black people. I think the man is smart enough to realize that accusing him [a black man] of serving the interests of blacks, would be a likely accusation against him.

And even with no substant proof, you're making that accusation.

That is hilarious
 
Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

That part is from Michael Savage (radio show/books). I dunno where the race stuff came from.



He's too smart not to be doing it deliberately, he truly believes whites have and continue to oppress blacks and other minorities. He is bent on equalizing things via the tax code and regulations.

What about all the people who agree with him. Are they stupid or in on it?
 
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It could be deliberate or it could be ignorance. Who's to say? We have plenty of evidence of ignorance but we've seen a distinct pattern of intentional behavior, too. Who's to say?
 
No, LibLoather is accurately diagnosing a central theme to Obama's governance. You're wrong when you try to disguise these efforts as merely class-based policies. You're egregiously wrong when you write "Everything you just listed addresses working class, lower-income Americans. Not blacks" for the refutation of that statement is seen directly in LibLoather's post, to wit:

- Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.​

"Minority inclusion" no matter how much you try to distort the language is not a synonym for "lower class people."

LibLoather neglected to mention how Obamacare is laced through with Affirmative Action mandates, such as:

"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the (HHS) secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds." (House Obamacare Bill Page 909)

Have you read what you're quoting from? Bet you haven't. The text you're quoting says, in context, that when government grants are given to accredited medical schools and nursing programs, preference will be given on four criteria: entities who show an interest in working with minorities, entities who want to work in areas that are vulnerable, entities who show interest in training primary care physicians, and entities who have a high rate of graduates working in underprivileged areas. Any one of these four criteria places these schools as a preferred source of the government's money.

That's an affirmitive action mandate? Ha! Your quote and point was intentionally misleading.
 
why would we even discuss the suggestion that high members of our political office want to destroy the country?

think about the scary implications of what you're saying. if our leaders want to destroy our economy, they are essentially terrorists and that would call for nothing but revolution.

you're making a pretty strong statement

What strong statement am I making? I said that I don't believe that the Democrats and Obama want to destroy the economy. I said that their policies aren't helping just as the Republicans didn't help under Bush (although he did have a Dem congress too. Everyone shares the blame).
 
Obama is bankrupting America so that he can replace the system with the failing system in Europe: Wealth redistribution.
 
It's funny to see such an uproar when a country that, historically, had a hard Minority Exclusion rule, suddenly start throwing a bone to minorities. The fact is, political power is still very largely white. Very. Obama's few side-mandates for minorities or nothing more than an effort to balance the scale, not tip it on the side of blacks. Furthermore, "minority inclusion" is not 'minority requirement', it's simply an open door, for the minorities of this country, to elevate their societal status.

You have to remember that the term "minority" is not assigned to a skin color, it's assigned to a class of nationality, which can include blond-hair blue-eye Swedes. Obama's central initiative has never been aimed at skin color, despite how confusing that may seem to you considering he's black. What Obama seeks to do is stop the Republican-base from shoving minorities further and further down the hole, due to laws that are already aimed against them, and put them in the position to actually participate in their country.

As far as Grants and Contracts - please check your local government websites. Grants are designed to address special groups and segments within our country - Minorities, Widowers, Students, Tech, Farming, etc. Obama is famous for his grants and contracts aimed at Small Business. Yet you again cherry-pick any initiatives of his that address minorities, and act like it's all-encompassing of his actions.

Look, if minorities want to elevate their position in America, the formula is clear and simple and many minorities have employed it (Thomas Sole, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, etc). The basis of this formula, however, is "work ethic" and too many minorities (particularly blacks) are not willing to work hard. They've been conditioned by government and race baiters (e.g., the justice brothers Sharpton and Jackson) to seek the "easy" route.

The best thing government can do for minorities is educate them and get the hell out of their lives otherwise.
 
Think of it this way. If I point out to you that the NBA has a higher proportion of black players than the US has white population would you conclude that this means that the NBA is designed to reward black people with positions on basketball teams? You're making a causal link where no link exists. Whites has a lot of power in the US but that doesn't mean that they're exercising that power to benefit whites, just like the NBA isn't purposely creating a situation which results in black players having a massively disproportionate presence. The NBA governs itself with race-neutral principles, as does the white power structure in the US, and the results that develop develop naturally and without design.



So, if the NBA doesn't have any programs designed to sign more white and Asian players, then by default, black athletes have favoritism? No, that's not the process that is in play. Race neutral positions don't have to produce equal outcomes and when equal outcomes are not produced that is not evidence in support of the claim that favoritism is at work.



I'm understanding your position just fine, I'm simply rejecting it totally. Biased lending isn't biased when credit scores are controlled for. Judicial bias is corrected when race-based crime statistics are referenced. Poor educational environments are irrelevant when we see the same differential race-based outcomes in high quality educational environments, for instance:

Last month, the school was cited for the second year in a row, this time because 37 percent of black students failed to meet standards in English, and 55 percent of blacks and 40 percent of Hispanics failed in math.

One of the standard complaints about No Child Left Behind by its critics in public education is that it punishes urban schools that are chronically underfinanced and already contending with a concentration of poor, nonwhite, bilingual and special-education pupils. Princeton could hardly be more different. It is an Ivy League town with a minority population of slightly more than 10 percent and per-student spending well above the state average. The high school sends 94 percent of its graduates to four-year colleges and offers 29 different Advanced Placement courses. Over all, 98 percent of Princeton High School students exceed the math and English standards required by No Child Left Behind.​

When you write that the "system is structured" in a way that discriminates against minorities you demonstrate that your mental model of how society function is at odds with the evidence. The system is structured to be race-neutral. The fact that the outcomes are not proportionate across race is not a design flaw in the system, or society at large. Equality doesn't require that minorities be granted "restitution" for that just infantilizes minorities and sends the message that they must be coddled and can't operate in a race-neutral society.



What are you talking about? I quoted directly from ObamaCare legislation which mandates preferences for minorities in medical schools. The OP referenced the Financial Reform act which created departments designed to foster race-favoritism. Those are concrete references.



Here's one that just broke last month:

In what could be a repeat of the easy-lending cycle that led to the housing crisis, the Justice Department has asked several banks to relax their mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination, according to court documents reviewed by IBD.

Prosecutions have already generated more than $20 million in loan set-asides and other subsidies from banks that have settled out of court rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist. An additional 60 banks are under investigation, a DOJ spokeswoman says.

No Job, No Problem

Settlements include setting aside prime-rate mortgages for low-income blacks and Hispanics with blemished credit and even counting "public assistance" as valid income in mortgage applications.

In several cases, the government has ordered bank defendants to post in all their branches and marketing materials a notice informing minority customers that they cannot be turned down for credit because they receive public aid, such as unemployment benefits, welfare payments or food stamps.​



What private foundations do with the scholarships they offer is immaterial to the question of what our government, the government of all the citizens of the US, does with respect to discriminating on the basis of race. Obama's administration is neck-deep in pushing race-based policies and you not wanting that to be true doesn't erase it from happening.



Another red herring. Bush is irrelevant. The issue is that you took an Obama statement and presented it as though it was a slam dunk refutation. That would be like someone arguing that the moon is made of cheese and then linking to Biden saying "the moon is made of cheese." The fact that Biden said that wouldn't make it true.

I haven't the energy to address all this, because there's so many directions the debate can take. But I'm going to give this one last go-around....

I get what you're trying to say with the NBA, but actually, and unfortunately, the NBA has faced criticism for red-lining certain hometowns and being more sympathetic to drafting athletes from minority backgrounds. For that reason, I don't feel comfortable arguing on the premise of the NBA because it's also guilty of the same kind of discrimination I'm talking about. Black athletes do get favoritism to a degree, just like white rappers have to try 10x as hard to get recognition and respect in the music industry - even though so many white rappers have talent. Like the Rap world, Hip Hop is a cultural thing in a lot of respects. ---> Like I said, there's so many directions I can take with all your talking-points.

Is the system structured to be "race-neutral" like you said? Yes. But you have to understand that just because the black-and-white print defines a system of equality, that doesn't mean culturally it's actually executed that way. For example, 15 years ago, even though Consumer Lending policies were "race-neutral", it was common practice among Mortgage Lenders to Red-Line minority neighborhoods, defy policy, and purposely Decline those minorities for loans. This is a proven fact. Plus I am a Loan Officer - we are well aware of this detrimental practice against minorities...even though they were working under "Race-Neutral" policies.

About your 'De-Facto' example. What's scary is you just proved my point and don't realize.

You just stated yourself, the leniency on Minorities was called due to alleged discrimination. Again, like I've always stated, balancing the scales back to equal, considering they were tilted towards whites. It wasn't just a random, "hey, let's give minorities advantages, ya know, just because".

About Obama, I'm just not buying your argument that he's pushing race-based initiatives. I understand exactly what positioning you're taking, and anyone would be hard-pressed to express it as clearly as you have, but what you call race-based, I call minority-based. I just don't understand why you feel fighting for the working-class is some chant of "black power".

I especially take issue with your Mortgage arguments because again, I'm a Loan Officer and I've done mortgage lending and I assure you, there's nothing in the books that give any advantages to anyone. You don't know how heart-breaking it is for me to have to turn an older minority single-parent families away from their dream home because they don't fit credit criteria - but if I were to give any favors, I'd lose my job.

And as far as your last comment about Bush/Obama...you said nothing at all. You merely made the assertion that I didn't really make a point, but you made none at all.
 
About your 'De-Facto' example. What's scary is you just proved my point and don't realize.

You just stated yourself, the leniency on Minorities was called due to alleged discrimination. Again, like I've always stated, balancing the scales back to equal, considering they were tilted towards whites. It wasn't just a random, "hey, let's give minorities advantages, ya know, just because".

Have you ever heard of "lawfare?" It's a strong-arm tactic that uses the law to intimidate another party.

There is a galaxy of difference between discrimination and an allegation of discrimination.

I can allege many things about you, even though I don't know anything about you. Of all of the things that I allege, none of them have to be true. Secondly, I can count on the allegations doing the damage without actually having to get around to, you know, actually proving that the allegations that I leveled against you are true.

This is a common tactic that comes from the racial hucksterism that Obama was schooled in.
 
Obama has consistently stated from Day 1 that his interests lie in the benefit of all Americans. That's it - Americans, specifically blue-collar. He has never isolated his interests or agendas to black people. I think the man is smart enough to realize that accusing him [a black man] of serving the interests of blacks, would be a likely accusation against him.

And even with no substant proof, you're making that accusation.

Why do you start with All Americans then go right into Specifically Blue Collar?

All Americans would be All Americans.
 
Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race, they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.
Your are not RushLimbaugh, are you ?
And why do you think blacks are poor ?
 
Is the system structured to be "race-neutral" like you said? Yes. But you have to understand that just because the black-and-white print defines a system of equality, that doesn't mean culturally it's actually executed that way. For example, 15 years ago, even though Consumer Lending policies were "race-neutral", it was common practice among Mortgage Lenders to Red-Line minority neighborhoods, defy policy, and purposely Decline those minorities for loans. This is a proven fact. Plus I am a Loan Officer - we are well aware of this detrimental practice against minorities...even though they were working under "Race-Neutral" policies.

Do you think red lining these areas was because minorities lived there or because of the properties in the area.

Properties in minorities areas tend to have graffitti and are not in the best of condition.

I am not sure I would want to loan money on properties like that either.
 
Look, if minorities want to elevate their position in America, the formula is clear and simple and many minorities have employed it (Thomas Sole, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, etc). The basis of this formula, however, is "work ethic" and too many minorities (particularly blacks) are not willing to work hard. They've been conditioned by government and race baiters (e.g., the justice brothers Sharpton and Jackson) to seek the "easy" route.

The best thing government can do for minorities is educate them and get the hell out of their lives otherwise.

You said.......... "too many blacks are not willing to work hard". Unbelievable. And I get a Trolling offense, while you not only make a blanket statement, but make a racial blanket statement.
 
You said.......... "too many blacks are not willing to work hard". Unbelievable. And I get a Trolling offense, while you not only make a blanket statement, but make a racial blanket statement.

He didn't make a "blanket statement." A blanket statement covers everyone in the group. He said " too many." What he said is either true or false. It's a testable statement. Here's a report from a few years back as published in the New York Times:

The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly, with only a slight pause during the economic peak of the late 1990's. In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20's were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts. Even when high school graduates were included, half of black men in their 20's were jobless in 2004, up from 46 percent in 2000.

Here is another report from the New York Times:
A new study of black male employment trends has come up with the following extremely depressing finding: ''By 2002, one of every four black men in the U.S. was idle all year long. This idleness rate was twice as high as that of white and Hispanic males.''

It's possible the rate of idleness is even higher, said the lead author of the study, Andrew Sum, who is director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University in Boston.

''That was a conservative count,'' he said. The study did not consider homeless men or those in jail or prison. It is believed that up to 10 percent of the black male population under age 40 is incarcerated.

While some of the men not working undoubtedly were ill or disabled, the 25 percent figure is still staggeringly high. And for some segments of the black male population, the situation is even worse.

Among black male dropouts, for example, 44 percent were idle year-round, as were nearly 42 of every 100 black men aged 55 to 64.

Data seems to confirm the poster's statement. Why should he be accused of trolling for making true and supportable statements? Just because he runs counter to the blowing sunshine up everyone's skirt political correctness that rots our minds? I hope not.
 
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