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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Quote Originally Posted by AdminX View Post
    First of all, you're acknowledging that American power is largely white, then turning around and saying there are no programs that exclusively benefit whites.
    Think of it this way. If I point out to you that the NBA has a higher proportion of black players than the US has white population would you conclude that this means that the NBA is designed to reward black people with positions on basketball teams? You're making a causal link where no link exists. Whites has a lot of power in the US but that doesn't mean that they're exercising that power to benefit whites, just like the NBA isn't purposely creating a situation which results in black players having a massively disproportionate presence. The NBA governs itself with race-neutral principles, as does the white power structure in the US, and the results that develop develop naturally and without design.

    When you have no programs designed to liberate minorities, then by default, non-minorities have favortism.
    So, if the NBA doesn't have any programs designed to sign more white and Asian players, then by default, black athletes have favoritism? No, that's not the process that is in play. Race neutral positions don't have to produce equal outcomes and when equal outcomes are not produced that is not evidence in support of the claim that favoritism is at work.

    You have to face the fact that the system is structured in a way that there are holes......poor educational system in projects/"ghettos", biased lending/loan programs, and judicial bias. No, there are no white-only programs. There doesn't have to be when there are no restitution's given to minorities. That's what you're not understanding.
    I'm understanding your position just fine, I'm simply rejecting it totally. Biased lending isn't biased when credit scores are controlled for. Judicial bias is corrected when race-based crime statistics are referenced. Poor educational environments are irrelevant when we see the same differential race-based outcomes in high quality educational environments, for instance:

    Last month, the school was cited for the second year in a row, this time because 37 percent of black students failed to meet standards in English, and 55 percent of blacks and 40 percent of Hispanics failed in math.

    One of the standard complaints about No Child Left Behind by its critics in public education is that it punishes urban schools that are chronically underfinanced and already contending with a concentration of poor, nonwhite, bilingual and special-education pupils. Princeton could hardly be more different. It is an Ivy League town with a minority population of slightly more than 10 percent and per-student spending well above the state average. The high school sends 94 percent of its graduates to four-year colleges and offers 29 different Advanced Placement courses. Over all, 98 percent of Princeton High School students exceed the math and English standards required by No Child Left Behind.

    When you write that the "system is structured" in a way that discriminates against minorities you demonstrate that your mental model of how society function is at odds with the evidence. The system is structured to be race-neutral. The fact that the outcomes are not proportionate across race is not a design flaw in the system, or society at large. Equality doesn't require that minorities be granted "restitution" for that just infantilizes minorities and sends the message that they must be coddled and can't operate in a race-neutral society.

    You still have yet to actually state anything concrete demonstrating his legislations are injecting racial preference.
    What are you talking about? I quoted directly from ObamaCare legislation which mandates preferences for minorities in medical schools. The OP referenced the Financial Reform act which created departments designed to foster race-favoritism. Those are concrete references.

    Please name a de facto minority-requirement program. Again, statements without a basis for even being stated.
    Here's one that just broke last month:

    In what could be a repeat of the easy-lending cycle that led to the housing crisis, the Justice Department has asked several banks to relax their mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination, according to court documents reviewed by IBD.

    Prosecutions have already generated more than $20 million in loan set-asides and other subsidies from banks that have settled out of court rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist. An additional 60 banks are under investigation, a DOJ spokeswoman says.

    No Job, No Problem

    Settlements include setting aside prime-rate mortgages for low-income blacks and Hispanics with blemished credit and even counting "public assistance" as valid income in mortgage applications.

    In several cases, the government has ordered bank defendants to post in all their branches and marketing materials a notice informing minority customers that they cannot be turned down for credit because they receive public aid, such as unemployment benefits, welfare payments or food stamps.

    Again, I implore you to visit a Grant/Scholarship directory and see just how many programs out there do specifically make a call to a diverse set of groups. For example, the Irish, Native Americans, Latinos, etc.
    What private foundations do with the scholarships they offer is immaterial to the question of what our government, the government of all the citizens of the US, does with respect to discriminating on the basis of race. Obama's administration is neck-deep in pushing race-based policies and you not wanting that to be true doesn't erase it from happening.

    Again, you called Obama a known liar. This following Bush, who I dare to presume you supported. A man who *everyone*, dare I say *everyone*, knows deceived the country into falsified war situations and false intelligence findings for his own agenda.
    Another red herring. Bush is irrelevant. The issue is that you took an Obama statement and presented it as though it was a slam dunk refutation. That would be like someone arguing that the moon is made of cheese and then linking to Biden saying "the moon is made of cheese." The fact that Biden said that wouldn't make it true.

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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Quote Originally Posted by LibLoather View Post
    Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.

    Obama and his wife see everything through the prism of race, they believe blacks are disproportionately poor due to racism and only government can equalize the situation. What they fail to realize is that wealth in America is distributed, for the most part, by talent, intelligence, and work ethic.
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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    G.U.S again?
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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

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    G.U.S again?
    Yeah, it's my favorite one. Would you recommend another one?
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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Just when you think that the bottom of the barrel has been found, we discover that there are folks furiously digging a new basement under it.
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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which is somewhat why the GOP is going to prevent as much job creating activity as they can possibly manage. What amuses me is the idiots who fall for the idea that only tax hikes will hurt the economy. Honestly, there is no reason for the GOP to actually try to improve the economy until November 3rd 2012 and they have plenty of reasons to hurt it the point where it will cost Obama reelection.
    Agreed, its to the teapartys benefit to keep the economy stagnant till 2012...I predict right after the election no matter who wins....there will be a windfall of jobs created.....the stock market fell big time...let the fatcats start seeing their portfolios fall along with the little guys 401ks and watch how fast they kick the teaparty right in their ass

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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Quote Originally Posted by AdminX View Post
    Obama has consistently stated from Day 1 that his interests lie in the benefit of all Americans. That's it - Americans, specifically blue-collar. He has never isolated his interests or agendas to black people. I think the man is smart enough to realize that accusing him [a black man] of serving the interests of blacks, would be a likely accusation against him.

    And even with no substant proof, you're making that accusation.
    That is hilarious



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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Too many conservatives think Obama is an incompetent, idealistic boob in the mold of Jimmy Carter. This is a grave mistake as I think he knows exactly what he's doing which is to run the national debt so high (via spending on programs that disproportionately benefit blacks) so as to create a financial crisis that forces us to accept much higher and broader federal taxes. Thus, achieving his wealth redistribution utopia.
    That part is from Michael Savage (radio show/books). I dunno where the race stuff came from.



    Quote Originally Posted by LibLoather View Post
    He's too smart not to be doing it deliberately, he truly believes whites have and continue to oppress blacks and other minorities. He is bent on equalizing things via the tax code and regulations.
    What about all the people who agree with him. Are they stupid or in on it?
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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    It could be deliberate or it could be ignorance. Who's to say? We have plenty of evidence of ignorance but we've seen a distinct pattern of intentional behavior, too. Who's to say?

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    Re: Democrat Party and Obama Deliberately Bankrupting America

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    No, LibLoather is accurately diagnosing a central theme to Obama's governance. You're wrong when you try to disguise these efforts as merely class-based policies. You're egregiously wrong when you write "Everything you just listed addresses working class, lower-income Americans. Not blacks" for the refutation of that statement is seen directly in LibLoather's post, to wit:

    - Dodd-Frank bill creates 20 Offices of "Minority Inclusion" at the various regulatory agencies, including the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the 12 Federal Reserve banks and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    "Minority inclusion" no matter how much you try to distort the language is not a synonym for "lower class people."

    LibLoather neglected to mention how Obamacare is laced through with Affirmative Action mandates, such as:

    "In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the (HHS) secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds." (House Obamacare Bill Page 909)
    Have you read what you're quoting from? Bet you haven't. The text you're quoting says, in context, that when government grants are given to accredited medical schools and nursing programs, preference will be given on four criteria: entities who show an interest in working with minorities, entities who want to work in areas that are vulnerable, entities who show interest in training primary care physicians, and entities who have a high rate of graduates working in underprivileged areas. Any one of these four criteria places these schools as a preferred source of the government's money.

    That's an affirmitive action mandate? Ha! Your quote and point was intentionally misleading.
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