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  • Regardless of the womanís choice, men should choose whether their baby will be born or not

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  • A woman should be able to choose whether to give birth or not, regardless of the manís choice

    20 50.00%
  • If the man doesnít want a baby, he should be able to choose whether to give financial support or not

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  • I am ďpro-choiceĒ (I think women should be able to choose to abort their babies if they want to)

    24 60.00%
  • I am "pro-life" (against abortion)

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Unfortunately, there is something inherently wrong in asking a woman to sacrifice her body for 9 months simply because the man wants a child that the woman does not want. So yeah, his desires cannot override hers in that instance. At the same time, I've always been a proponent of allowing EITHER parent to sign away their parental rights and financial obligations, but I would stipulate that there must be a time line (say, within 1 week of birth) for those decisions to be made. Reversal of such decisions at a later date would be contingent upon a mutual agreement and some sort of financial obligation retroactive to the child's birth for the absentee parent.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I voted for the middle three...
    So did I. Whether or not to continue a pregnancy is a woman's choice, but if the man doesn't want children and the woman does, he should also be able to opt out in the beginning. However, he shouldn't be able to simply walk away once the child is older.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    This sums me up pretty well.

    Obviously it's ideal if the man and woman can come to an agreement about what to do. But failing that, the choice of whether or not to continue the pregnancy always defaults to the woman, and so does the responsibility to make sure her decision is feasible without forcing the man to do anything. If it's her choice, it's also her responsibility to make a workable choice.

    I voted pro-choice, woman's choice, and men should not be forced into financial support.
    NM, that's a broad brush statement above...

    I love you, baby. I will be your man forever. I'll be there for you no matter what cuz I just love you so much. "NOW, GET THEM BRITCHES OFF"!

    WHAT? Your pregnant!

    That's bull****, you must have ****ed somebody else. That's not my kid. **** you, I'm out of here!

    The man still shouldn't have to pay child support?

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    So did I. Whether or not to continue a pregnancy is a woman's choice, but if the man doesn't want children and the woman does, he should also be able to opt out in the beginning. However, he shouldn't be able to simply walk away once the child is older.
    Why should he be able to just walk away? He wasn't interested in walking away from the act that created the child, why should he be able to just walk away from the child that was created? I'm not saying he has to be actively involved in the kid's life. In fact I think a lot of these kids would be better off if their dads weren't involved in their lives. However, there is still a financial responsibility there that should be required to be maintained.

    The idea that I can get a woman pregnant and simply say... "I don't want the kid. I'll sign away my rights and then not be financially responsible." is disgusting to me. The idea that any Man would do something like that is just unthinkable. Of couse we have a lot of little boys masquerading as Men these days.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why should he be able to just walk away? He wasn't interested in walking away from the act that created the child, why should he be able to just walk away from the child that was created? I'm not saying he has to be actively involved in the kid's life. In fact I think a lot of these kids would be better off if their dads weren't involved in their lives. However, there is still a financial responsibility there that should be required to be maintained.

    The idea that I can get a woman pregnant and simply say... "I don't want the kid. I'll sign away my rights and then not be financially responsible." is disgusting to me. The idea that any Man would do something like that is just unthinkable. Of couse we have a lot of little boys masquerading as Men these days.
    If a woman can end the pregnancy, it's only fair to allow the man a similar choice. What if he's not ready to be a father? As someone who experienced being abandoned as a child, I would have rather not even known the other parent at all. It was that painful.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    If a woman can end the pregnancy, it's only fair to allow the man a similar choice. What if he's not ready to be a father? As someone who experienced being abandoned as a child, I would have rather not even known the other parent at all. It was that painful.
    Or to have a parent who makes it clear you weren't wanted or you interrupted the life they had planned to lead for themselves. Forcing obligation on to somebody can be more harmful for the child long-term than the child being raised by a single parent with limited financial resources.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    If a woman can end the pregnancy, it's only fair to allow the man a similar choice. What if he's not ready to be a father? As someone who experienced being abandoned as a child, I would have rather not even known the other parent at all. It was that painful.
    I think the notion of men being able to end their parental rights should be more widespread and easily obtainable in situations like this. . . rather than forcing an abortion.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    If a woman can end the pregnancy, it's only fair to allow the man a similar choice. What if he's not ready to be a father? As someone who experienced being abandoned as a child, I would have rather not even known the other parent at all. It was that painful.
    Then men need to put down a cash deposit that would equal the amount of an abortion before having sex.

    Regardless if a guy isn't ready to be a daddy, then he damn well better pony up for the cost of an abortion if the woman declares that she will abort if she gets pregnant and he still wants to play.

    And the guy better make a very clear declaration BEFORE having sex that he won't in anyway participate in any expenses of a baby should she get pregnant.

    Then if she still wants to do it...have fun and be willing to take on whatever the consequences.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Then men need to put down a cash deposit that would equal the amount of an abortion before having sex.

    Regardless if a guy isn't ready to be a daddy, then he damn well better pony up for the cost of an abortion if the woman declares that she will abort if she gets pregnant and he still wants to play.

    And the guy better make a very clear declaration BEFORE having sex that he won't in anyway participate in any expenses of a baby should she get pregnant.

    Then if she still wants to do it...have fun and be willing to take on whatever the consequences.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Then men need to put down a cash deposit that would equal the amount of an abortion before having sex.

    Regardless if a guy isn't ready to be a daddy, then he damn well better pony up for the cost of an abortion if the woman declares that she will abort if she gets pregnant and he still wants to play.

    And the guy better make a very clear declaration BEFORE having sex that he won't in anyway participate in any expenses of a baby should she get pregnant.

    Then if she still wants to do it...have fun and be willing to take on whatever the consequences.
    I totally support full disclosure, but life isn't perfect. Sometimes you have no idea what is best until the situation arises. I used to swear up and down I'd never do certain things but when the situation arose and the paths were in front of me the best option was the one I'd said I'd never take. I think it's obviously a conversation people need to have. My boyfriend (not ready for kids) knows if I get pregnant I'm keeping the baby. He also knows that I expect absolutely no committment from him unless he wants to make one. I'd prefer that he DID want to be involved, but I can't obligate him to that because I'm ready for something he isn't ready for. Of course, to prevent that issue we take precautions...but precautions don't always work as planned, either. And who knows? Maybe after the first sonogram, hearing the heartbeat he'll suddenly have something click and realize how awesome it will be when he's daddy...or maybe he'll freak out and think he can't handle it. Whatever his reaction, I'll have to accept it. I can't force his hand and allow him to resent me and the child for the next 18+ years.
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