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  • Regardless of the womanís choice, men should choose whether their baby will be born or not

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  • A woman should be able to choose whether to give birth or not, regardless of the manís choice

    20 50.00%
  • If the man doesnít want a baby, he should be able to choose whether to give financial support or not

    20 50.00%
  • I am ďpro-choiceĒ (I think women should be able to choose to abort their babies if they want to)

    24 60.00%
  • I am "pro-life" (against abortion)

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    Read #1 again, because what I said clearly does not match that answer. I said that if EITHER parent wants the child then the baby should be born. So, if only the mother wants the child then this case is not the man making the decision.
    You are right, I should have had the option "If one party wants to have the baby, the baby should be born without interference"

    (for some reason I thought I had put that option in there, but I stand corrected; thanks for picking up on that)

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    My argument behind this approach is simple. If reproduction was not the intended purpose of the intercourse, then BOTH are taking the risk of pregnancy. Unless we're talking about rape, then this was a mutual decision. Similarly, the child bears the DNA of BOTH parents. So I argue that neither parent has the right to deny the other parent THEIR child.
    I can see where you are coming from on this point .. although I disagree, i.e. I think the mother should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body and since the baby is in her body, she should be able to decide whether she gives birth or not .. however I agree with option number 3 i.e. : "If the man doesn’t want a baby, he should be able to choose whether to give financial support or not"

    (just so you know, I chose options 2, 3 & 4)

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    I am neither for nor against abortion.
    So you are leaving the decision up to the parents? If this is correct are you not, in a way, "pro-choice"? For example, lets say both decide they do not want the child .. should they be able to decide to abort the child?

    Of course you know my answer is yes as if only the mother wanted to abort the child, I would say she has the choice to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    I'm also open to different solutions in handling the financial details.
    Like what kind of details? Lets say one party wants to have the child and the other doesn't .. who should be financially responsible for the child? Both parties? Or only the person who wanted the child?

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    However, I am about taking responsibility for your own actions.
    What would this mean in terms of law?
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Her body, her choice, her responsibility...

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Note that the baby being in the mother's body is not a choice. The father, no matter how badly he wants the child, can't offer to take over the pregnancy. Face it, there are gender roles which are unavoidable. This is something fair to expect a woman to know and comprehend by the time she has sex.

    My take on abortion depends highly on the circumstances. I'd much rather see an abortion versus a child born and suffering due to a drug addicted mother. However, I'd usually prefer a child born and well cared for.

    I would say both parents should be financially responsible for a child. How much each contributes should be a formula based on how often they have custody, especially when they both want custody.

    Ultimately, not just with sex but with many issues, I find the typical American careless when it comes to thinking before they act. How hard is it to analyze the potential outcomes of most actions? If something is a consequence of your actions then take responsibility. If you're unwilling to care for or financially support a child then keep it in your pants! Granted, this is coming from a man whose biological father denied him at birth. Therefore, I resented my father for not taking responsibility. Lacking a man worthy of the title Dad in my life, I look forward to that title more than almost any other man. That's one reason I feel so strongly about the idea of a woman choosing to abort a kid who came from me.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Flag View Post
    Her body, her choice, her responsibility...
    This sums me up pretty well.

    Obviously it's ideal if the man and woman can come to an agreement about what to do. But failing that, the choice of whether or not to continue the pregnancy always defaults to the woman, and so does the responsibility to make sure her decision is feasible without forcing the man to do anything. If it's her choice, it's also her responsibility to make a workable choice.

    I voted pro-choice, woman's choice, and men should not be forced into financial support.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If the father wants to avoid the risk of paying for his child then he shouldn't have sex.
    Not as long as the woman has the right to chose unilaterally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Flag View Post
    Her body, her choice, her responsibility...
    Which means she can pay for it alone too.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    I am in opposition to abortion in almost all cases. The only exceptions would be situations where the woman did not consent to the sexual act that initiated the pregnancy and cases where the pregnancy causes an immediate and very likely risk of death to the mother. I have always been of the belief that the moment two adults consent to commit a sexual act which COULD result in pregnancy, that both adults have also consented to potentially becoming parents.

    To that end, I am of the opinion that any male who conceives a child should be at least 50% responsible for the financial needs of that child from the moment of conception until at least the child's 18th birthday. He should also be responsible for some portion of the financial needs of the woman who is taking care of that child during that same period. So long as he is meeting the financial needs of the child and mother; poses no physical, psychological, or moral risk to the child; and it is reasonably feasible to facilitate he should be granted visitation to that child on a regular basis. IF the mother is unfit to tend to the child, it should be the responsibility of the father to take over the care of the child. IF the mother does not with the father to be involved in the child's life other than with sufficient cause, she should give up all financial support from the father of the child.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am in opposition to abortion in almost all cases. The only exceptions would be situations where the woman did not consent to the sexual act that initiated the pregnancy and cases where the pregnancy causes an immediate and very likely risk of death to the mother. I have always been of the belief that the moment two adults consent to commit a sexual act which COULD result in pregnancy, that both adults have also consented to potentially becoming parents.

    To that end, I am of the opinion that any male who conceives a child should be at least 50% responsible for the financial needs of that child from the moment of conception until at least the child's 18th birthday. He should also be responsible for some portion of the financial needs of the woman who is taking care of that child during that same period. So long as he is meeting the financial needs of the child and mother; poses no physical, psychological, or moral risk to the child; and it is reasonably feasible to facilitate he should be granted visitation to that child on a regular basis. IF the mother is unfit to tend to the child, it should be the responsibility of the father to take over the care of the child. IF the mother does not with the father to be involved in the child's life other than with sufficient cause, she should give up all financial support from the father of the child.
    This is one of the few times I agree with you. In my sig, I'm pro-abortion, but like you, I only favor it when the mother didn't consent to the sexual act that initiated the pregnancy, and when the pregnancy is a potentially huge threat to the mother's health
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Flag View Post
    Her body, her choice, her responsibility...
    And I would add, that no matter what the circumstances, both parents are responsible for supporting any child that is born, wanted or not.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    I am unqualified to vote in this poll until such a time that I can become pregnant.

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