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  • Regardless of the womanís choice, men should choose whether their baby will be born or not

    0 0%
  • A woman should be able to choose whether to give birth or not, regardless of the manís choice

    20 50.00%
  • If the man doesnít want a baby, he should be able to choose whether to give financial support or not

    20 50.00%
  • I am ďpro-choiceĒ (I think women should be able to choose to abort their babies if they want to)

    24 60.00%
  • I am "pro-life" (against abortion)

    8 20.00%
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Thread: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The constitution is clear on this point. All persons, and only persons have rights. Under the law, a person is a human being who has born alive.

    A ZEF is not a person and has no rights.
    Interesting, an appeal to Law. So if I get a judge to rule that a foetus is a person, as was done with the Peterson trial [since you can't be charged with second-degree murder of a non-person] or change the law to say that Whites and Mormons aren't legal persons...?

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    A fetus is not a human being
    Wrong.

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    I wonder how the people who think a man should have a say in the decision to abort feel about giving the woman a say in the decision to have a vasectomy or chemical castration?
    They'd probably think you're a dishonest sack of ****, as those procedures are more comparable to tube-tying or forced birth control than the killing of one's unborn child.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Flag View Post
    Interesting, an appeal to Law. So if I get a judge to rule that a foetus is a person, as was done with the Peterson trial [since you can't be charged with second-degree murder of a non-person] or change the law to say that Whites and Mormons aren't legal persons...?
    The constitution overrules legislation. And courts are bound by precedent
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see you have no argument to make. Fine
    I see you failed to understand the argument and I'm moving on.

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    Agreed... it is worthless.

    That clearly wasn't agreement.
    You said that you agreed... don't state such next time if you don't agree.

    No, abortion is a medical procedure, And we end life every day, Where do you think all those hamburgers came from?
    Hamburgers have nothing to do with the abortion debate and only serve to show your inability to manage a proper analogy.

    Abortion is a medical procedure, I am glad that you finally realize this. Are you able to now address what I was talking about?
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, I did not say that
    Then men have a right to kill the unborn child?


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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    courts are bound by precedent
    And the Peterson trial provides precedent making clear that the unborn child is a person. Else Scott Peterson could not have been charged with second-degree murder for the child's death. You don't get charged with and sent to prison for murder for the death of a non-person.

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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by naturalrights View Post
    I have seen a good thread with some good arguments surrounding the issue of men’s rights versus women’s rights to their babies. Should a man have rights to their baby? If so, to what degree should the rights come into play? Should a man be able to force a woman to have his baby? Should a man be forced to pay child support for a baby he stated that he did not want? If you are against abortion, this may not be the best argument to partake in; perhaps a separate poll and or thread can be created to debate “pro-choice” versus “pro-life”. However, if you are able to work within the framework of abortion being legal, feel free to join in.


    The way I look at is long as abortion is legal as a means of birth control then the man should be able to legally opt out of any financial responsibilities for the child seeing how the man can not have any say in whether or not the woman has an abortion. If abortion becomes illegal except like to save the life of the mother then father should not be allowed to opt out of any financial responsibilities for the child. I am pro-life/anti-abortion meaning I oppose the legalization of abortion.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see you failed to understand the argument and I'm moving on.
    I understood that what you posted was not an argument

    You said that you agreed... don't state such next time if you don't agree.
    I don't see how my quote (below) could be interpreted as agreeing with your analogy
    And that is why your analogy fails
    Hamburgers have nothing to do with the abortion debate and only serve to show your inability to manage a proper analogy.
    You spoke about ending life. How do think those hamburgers got there? Do you think there were no lives ended?

    Abortion is a medical procedure, I am glad that you finally realize this. Are you able to now address what I was talking about?
    If you know that abortion is a medical procedure then why did you say

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    The issue is not about medical procedures, it is about ending life and money.
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Flag View Post
    Then men have a right to kill the unborn child?

    They have the right to get an abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Re: How do you feel about menís versus womanís rights to their babies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Flag View Post
    And the Peterson trial provides precedent making clear that the unborn child is a person. Else Scott Peterson could not have been charged with second-degree murder for the child's death. You don't get charged with and sent to prison for murder for the death of a non-person.
    No, there is no precedent there
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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