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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.

Funny, I thought this thread was closed.... anyway...

Not just the good ones, more often the immoral ones.

Celebrities make more than most lawyers, yet are completely useless.

I have seen nothing from you or your debating style that indicates you are a lawyer. All of your posts are emo-reactionary with zero support for your arguments, no links, no citations, no quotes, nothing. The one thing you have established is that you are not a Christian nor are you a Patriot (and yes, the two are mutually exclusive).

On to the topic, for as much as you'd like the topic to be you... it's not.

Throughout history, without exception, tyranny has come at the hands of those who "corner the market" on societal wealth. Whether in private hands, or the hands of self appointed rulers. It is this historically constant FACT that made the founding of America, it's founding voices of liberty, and the documents (governmental and personal writings) such a big big big deal. There are two other historical constant FACTS... when societal wealth is highly concentrated into the hands of a few, 1) societal suffering ensues without fail 2) civil unrest is a time bomb that often explodes ending with the death of those who looked down upon the masses as stupid, slothful, fodder, commodities and stole their time of life to enrich themselves.

Marginal Tax Rate...............Tax Brackets
10.0%............................. $0 $11,950
Every dollar in this bracket is needed to provide food, housing and transportation. It's required to LIVE... Life! When people cannot (though hard working) make enough to meet those needs, the result is often crime, small crimes meant to get what they need to wake up the next day. You get to keep the same 90% they do. Taxing them at 70% would be disastrous to society and no personal property would be safe. It costs far more than $12k to house someone in prison, not to mention the overburden on the justice system. This would be TYRANNICAL.

15.0% ............................. $11,950 $45,550
This bracket is where the American Dream begins. You have enough to meet your personal needs and can also begin to support a family. They can lift themselves out of the hovels and ghettos and provide a safer existence, start a family and at the top of the bracket, maybe even save a little, if they are still single. You get to keep the same 85% they do. Taxing them at 70% would not only kill the American Dream, but would push them into the take home bracket above, and all it's consequences.

And so on...

35.0%............................. $373,650 and up
At this level, or your living expenses (barring major medical) are met, nice house in a safe neighborhood, good schools so your kids aren't "stupid" (no guarantees), and might be able to afford to send one kid to a top school. The bottom of this tax bracket is now the mid level of middle class. My proposed 35% bracket includes all of the middle class ($550k-$750k) and would provide for all the wants and needs of an average family without depriving them of anything, including a better life for their children.

The proposed 70% bracket is for those making $20m to $40m. Now, some of you may be confused and think that all their income is taxed at this rate. No, you are taxed at the same rate at every level as everyone else. Unlike taxing the working poor at 70%, it does not deprive anyone of life, liberty or happiness. It doesn't take food off the table, limit mobility/travel, put opportunities for education and family out of reach, etc.

According to "God", the bible and the Holy Roman Catholic Church, what you earn (and keep) beyond meeting this upper middle class metric is avarice. The more you hoard, the deeper the avarice, and the more likely you'll damn your soul. I'm not religious, but so many crow about this being a Christian nation, it's worth repeating... again, and again, and again.

The Founders knew that the root of all evil (subjugation of the masses) is the "love of money". For it is this love that usurps, corrupts and subverts the morality of most men and leads to the amoral view that those less than affluent are less than human, as second class citizens. This is a historical fact and a constant of human nature, to which much of the most successful literature in history addresses.

They also knew that all real wealth is created through LABOR. Labor is the result of a sacrifice of time of life and energy that comes from health and nutrition, which in turn comes from the purchase of food, shelter. A moral person, religious or otherwise would realize two things. 1) compensating someone less than it takes to live for their creation of wealth through production is immoral when productivity and profits are up and director shares of the wealth created increase 400%, 40 times and worker wages fall below costs of living.

The liberation of Americans and the significance to world history was not just about tyrant kings, but about tyranny in all it's forms.

That you classify those who make less than you as slothful (blind to your own avarice), cannon fodder and parasites is clear evidence of your wish for tyranny, and to be a part of it.

The fight to be free of tyranny did not end with the bill of rights... it merely armed us for the perpetuity of vigilance and battles against the age old evils derived from tyranny of the likes of you.
 
The majority of the country are neither winners nor losers. The gop wins when that group thinks winning is a good thing, worth pursuing. Dems win when they convince the majority that the game is rigged and its better to let the government take care of them than to expend effort in a losing cause

Wrong, the only time Republicans win is if all the people don't vote.

Remember America is still a democracy... well I think so after Florida 2000 WELL?:roll:
 
really? how do you propose that is going to happen? tax the rich more so the middle class becomes even more indolent and slothful

You know it hasn't been that long ago when you said "only the poor was indolent and slothful, then it was the poor working class that was slothful, now you're saying the middle class is indolent and slothful?

That would make a good quote on the campaign trail I can see it now.

REPUBLICAN'S SAY MIDDLE CLASS IS INDOLENT AND SLOTHFUL.

Why don't you make a blog of that or paste it on facebook or maybe challenge the parties running against Republicans with that statement.lol:peace
 
so you are a fascist as well as a wealth confiscator? I think anyone who wants to create involuntary servitude ought to be treated as a dictator and dealt with accordingly. and you need to pay the top rates if you want others to pay them.

If you cannot afford a 70% tax on your next dollar than you have no right to demand others pay that

You are absolutly right he has no right to demand others pay that .
The IRS however does and will.:peace
 
why not send those too stupid to make it to college/ save the smart people for jobs that require intelligence and use the dullards for cannon fodder

Would that include the many CEOS than ran their company in the ground went to the government for bailouts or did they get a bonus for being stupid dullards?:peace
 
why not send those too stupid to make it to college/ save the smart people for jobs that require intelligence and use the dullards for cannon fodder

College doesn't require brains or intelligence... it only requires money and perseverance.
 
I guess you don't get it. I don't believe that a government has the proper power to draft people or tax them at the rates you want. You seem to worship an all powerful government. Those of us who are productive and resourceful tend to loathe big overly powerful government

Seems like a lot of corporations and banks was kissing governments all powerfull ass when their profits started to slip.

If all of you loathe a big overly powerful government you might try not taking things out.
I have a list where government money went to provate corporations I'll compare it anytime.
Don't give me graphs and right wing paper lets talk cash.:peace
 
sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.

Correct me if I'm wrong but lawyers make their money from defending who?
 
what is funny is that you have spent several posts whining about the rich having too much money and wanting to impose higher taxes and involuntary servitude on others and then you come back with this rot

You're right Earlzp should not be whining about the rich having too much money.

He should pity the rich for they won't have as much in the future.

Like I said you can cut education, welfare, unemployment job training programs that's chump change.

You start cutting Pentagon, CIA, DEA FBI, HOMELAND SECURITY POLICE AND FIRE AIRPORT SECURITY AND POLITICIANS and their salaries you gonna hit a brick wall and that's where the big money is .
With less work comes less people to pay taxes, tax revenue must be kept up to meet these so where will it come from.
The poor lol
The working poor lol
The lower middle class not likely
The middle class sure if you want to commit political suicide
Who does that leave.
The last budget passed by a hair, things go the way they are next time it won't be so lucky, think higher taxes .. uhh for thoes that have jobs.:peace
 
College doesn't require brains or intelligence... it only requires money and perseverance.

I would agree for attendance

to do well you are completely wrong.
 
Seems like a lot of corporations and banks was kissing governments all powerfull ass when their profits started to slip.

If all of you loathe a big overly powerful government you might try not taking things out.
I have a list where government money went to provate corporations I'll compare it anytime.
Don't give me graphs and right wing paper lets talk cash.:peace

for this to have any validity you would have to show that those who pay the lions's share of the taxes got more from the government than they paid in taxes which would be tough because just about every other group are mainly net tax consumers. 60% of so of Americans have more direct government spending on them than they pay in taxes for example
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but lawyers make their money from defending who?

There are hundreds of different kinds of lawyers

1) the one most people think of are prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys

2) then you have plaintiff's attorneys-a major source of cash for the Dem party and civil defense attorneys (which is a major part of what I do). Many civil defense attorneys are also dems because the threat of big lawsuit verdicts justify their fees (at least to them)

a) medical malpractice

b) product liability

c) civil torts-ie personal injuries

d) civil rights are all subsets of plaintiff/civil defense work

3) then you have compliance attorneys-they deal with all the government regulations

4) then there are standard corporate attorneys who review and draft contracts for companies

5) labor and employment law attorneys-they may be trial attorneys handling employment or employment discrimination cases or negotiating collective bargaining agreements etc

6) probate and estate attorneys, wills, trusts deeds, etc

7) tax attorneys-both civil and criminal defense

8) Domestic relations attorneys-divorce, custody, name changes etc

9) environmental attorneys-compliance, civil and criminal defense etc

10) real estate- dealing with building issues, zoning regulations land use matters

11) construction litigation and contracts-

12) bankruptcy attorneys-has both civil and criminal areas

13) Intellectual property attorneys, patents, trademarks-both applying for and registering patents, trademarks or litigation of infringements etc

14) entertainment law attorneys.

now that's just a few areas I can think of without much effort
 
That isn't the issue. I believe in freedom and I oppose the schemes people like you want to change things

such as more government, more taxation


LOL! So according to the Turtledude, we only have freedom if the wealthy own 85% of the wealth?

You have an "interesting" definition of freedom!
 
There are hundreds of different kinds of lawyers

1) the one most people think of are prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys

2) then you have plaintiff's attorneys-a major source of cash for the Dem party and civil defense attorneys (which is a major part of what I do). Many civil defense attorneys are also dems because the threat of big lawsuit verdicts justify their fees (at least to them)

a) medical malpractice

b) product liability

c) civil torts-ie personal injuries

d) civil rights are all subsets of plaintiff/civil defense work

3) then you have compliance attorneys-they deal with all the government regulations

4) then there are standard corporate attorneys who review and draft contracts for companies

5) labor and employment law attorneys-they may be trial attorneys handling employment or employment discrimination cases or negotiating collective bargaining agreements etc

6) probate and estate attorneys, wills, trusts deeds, etc

7) tax attorneys-both civil and criminal defense

8) Domestic relations attorneys-divorce, custody, name changes etc

9) environmental attorneys-compliance, civil and criminal defense etc

10) real estate- dealing with building issues, zoning regulations land use matters

11) construction litigation and contracts-

12) bankruptcy attorneys-has both civil and criminal areas

13) Intellectual property attorneys, patents, trademarks-both applying for and registering patents, trademarks or litigation of infringements etc

14) entertainment law attorneys.

now that's just a few areas I can think of without much effort

Seems like they got a good gig going supported ultimately by the tax payers dollars in laws of court.
 
You know it hasn't been that long ago when you said "only the poor was indolent and slothful, then it was the poor working class that was slothful, now you're saying the middle class is indolent and slothful?

That would make a good quote on the campaign trail I can see it now.

REPUBLICAN'S SAY MIDDLE CLASS IS INDOLENT AND SLOTHFUL.

Why don't you make a blog of that or paste it on facebook or maybe challenge the parties running against Republicans with that statement.lol:peace




Bill Maher provides an excellent description here of the living nightmare the rich live through every day at the prospect of a slightly higher tax rate:

Video: New Rules with Bill Maher, Republican Greed, Sept 24, 2010 - Kick! Making Politics Fun - A liberal dose of political humor
 
LOL! So according to the Turtledude, we only have freedom if the wealthy own 85% of the wealth?

You have an "interesting" definition of freedom!

You have the freedom to rent to own!!!!!
 
for this to have any validity you would have to show that those who pay the lions's share of the taxes got more from the government than they paid in taxes which would be tough because just about every other group are mainly net tax consumers. 60% of so of Americans have more direct government spending on them than they pay in taxes for example

Well, lets see there's lobbyist, there's government no bid contracts, there's the zoning situation., government grants Bailouts.ect
The large amount going out to unemployment and and the poor could be, maybe because there is no jobs:peace
 
There are hundreds of different kinds of lawyers

1) the one most people think of are prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys

2) then you have plaintiff's attorneys-a major source of cash for the Dem party and civil defense attorneys (which is a major part of what I do). Many civil defense attorneys are also dems because the threat of big lawsuit verdicts justify their fees (at least to them)

a) medical malpractice

b) product liability

c) civil torts-ie personal injuries

d) civil rights are all subsets of plaintiff/civil defense work

3) then you have compliance attorneys-they deal with all the government regulations

4) then there are standard corporate attorneys who review and draft contracts for companies

5) labor and employment law attorneys-they may be trial attorneys handling employment or employment discrimination cases or negotiating collective bargaining agreements etc

6) probate and estate attorneys, wills, trusts deeds, etc

7) tax attorneys-both civil and criminal defense

8) Domestic relations attorneys-divorce, custody, name changes etc

9) environmental attorneys-compliance, civil and criminal defense etc

10) real estate- dealing with building issues, zoning regulations land use matters

11) construction litigation and contracts-

12) bankruptcy attorneys-has both civil and criminal areas

13) Intellectual property attorneys, patents, trademarks-both applying for and registering patents, trademarks or litigation of infringements etc

14) entertainment law attorneys.

now that's just a few areas I can think of without much effort

And to think the right complains about too many lawsuits by stupid people driven by crooked lawyers.
Then there's the flipside I'm sure many a drug dealer, criminal faction are very close to lawyers, getting them off on a tecnicality.
I bet Limbaugh and Foley had good lawyers, as did Cunningham:peace
 
You have the freedom to rent to own!!!!!

I think it would help if you had a job before you rent to own , might help don't you think.

Maybe that's why the Real estate is down , nobody's renting to own .lol,lol:peace
 
Well, lets see there's lobbyist, there's government no bid contracts, there's the zoning situation., government grants Bailouts.ect
The large amount going out to unemployment and and the poor could be, maybe because there is no jobs:peace

complete fail. most of the rich never benefited from any of that.
 
And to think the right complains about too many lawsuits by stupid people driven by crooked lawyers.
Then there's the flipside I'm sure many a drug dealer, criminal faction are very close to lawyers, getting them off on a tecnicality.
I bet Limbaugh and Foley had good lawyers, as did Cunningham:peace

this is a silly rant from you. try again.
 
complete fail. most of the rich never benefited from any of that.

So you're telling me that Haliburtian didn't benifit frm getting a no bid contract?

You're telling me that the ceo's of Bear Sterns, AIG ,FREDDY MAC ,FANNY MAE GMC ect GOT NOTHING FROM THE GOVERNMENT?

Cheap labor high prices low taxes the corporations don't cash in on that ?
Without outsourceing there would be no free trade
 
Powerful companies (and their owners) never benefit financially from lobbying?

The claim is that the richest set of taxpayers (who pay a huge amount of the income tax) somehow get more government benefits than the people who pay less than them (Ie the bottom 89% or so) is based on such specious claims.

The majority of those in the top tax bracket are not getting such benefits from lobbying and that is not a government given benefit anyway
 
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