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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

How do you see the 85% of the country's wealth being owned by the super rich has helped the economy?

That isn't the issue. I believe in freedom and I oppose the schemes people like you want to change things

such as more government, more taxation

I also believe (and you cannot disprove) that we have made sloth and reliance on government too common and that is why so many people are no longer ambitious
 
fact-the rich have x amount of money

Opinion-that is bad

Wrong, how much money they have is irrelevant, or would be if we were a moral culture. It's not individual numbers, it's the FACT THAT 85% of the wealth no longer serves the public or the day to day commerce that is produced from the land and people of this country.

The Christians hold this "opinion" as a condition for entering heaven... or hell. The founders, after their experience with East India Trading and several other "corporate" governance of various colonies, not only knew it in their time and put strong restrictions on them, they knew it as a common sense lesson of history and men's weakness. At this point it ceases to be opinion, but carries with it the full weight of history and the tyranny that has followed it, in all it's forms, governmental as well as privately held wealth and power.

the fact does not make the opinion more persuasive or "correct"

Nor does it change the FACT that throughout history, when wealth and power, public or private is largely concentrated in the hands of a few, abuses to liberty and life follow. Every single time! It is THE rule, not the exception. The first free people on the face of the planet in 13k years is the exception.

It also doesn't change the fact that the Founders made clear warnings and did all they could in the spirit of compromise to but as tight and thick a chain as possible around corporations and banks.

So... now it's your turn (which I'm sure you'll piss away dodging and throwing more idiot "it's not that way because I say so, very lawyerly arguments at us) to show, when in the history of civilization, the top one percent owning 5/6ths of the wealth led to anything but subjugation of the masses, endless wars and the pillaging of far off lands?

fact-there are 6 tax brackets

Opinion-we need more tax brackets

So... you think that someone earning $374k should be in the same tax bracket as someone making $40 million?

FACT, this government is of the People, by the People, FOR the People... all of us. The people fell asleep while our elected public servants spent and mortgaged our future for the benefit of a wealthy elite... and our newest citizen super class, the corporation. FACT, over the last 30 years, we have seen the wages of the middle class fall, their taxes increase and cost of living soar. People making $100k-300k are just barely middle class these days, taxing them in the same bracket as those earning millions, the wealthy, the upper class... flies in the face of a progressive tax at all. Why stratify only the lower classes and allow the wealthy to be taxed at middle class rates?

There is only one reason... to play politics and broaden support for tax cuts to the wealthy by pushing the middle class into the wrong bracket. There should be less stratification at the bottom, fewer brackets, and many more at the top. Period. I don't really care what percentages you apply to them...
 
More opinions masquerading as faux factual assertions


I have no duty to pay the load of other people. You can say its better for me to do so but that is an OPINION. flies in the face of progressive income taxes? OF COURSE IT DOES, I WANT TO ABOLISH PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXES because such taxes encourages those who aren't paying their share to demand more and more and more spending paid for by the top payers
 
really? You have any proof of that claim? you can speak for CEO's?

Do you have proof of the many that are deluded into thinking more and more handouts are good for them . or are the many just asking for jobs to work live pay taxes and ,make a living

You have any proof of that claim? Can you speak for the many unemployed?

]And please you give me statistics I'll give you statistics.

You keep forgeting who the majority in this country is.

Hint, it is not rich CEO'S or wanta be lawyers.
 
More opinions masquerading as faux factual assertions


I have no duty to pay the load of other people. You can say its better for me to do so but that is an OPINION. flies in the face of progressive income taxes? OF COURSE IT DOES, I WANT TO ABOLISH PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXES because such taxes encourages those who aren't paying their share to demand more and more and more spending paid for by the top payers

20% of the people control 93% of the nations wealth and still you whine and cry, how much do you want? What price are you willing to pay to get it? How did 20% of the people accumulate 93% of this nations wealth?
 
Do you have proof of the many that are deluded into thinking more and more handouts are good for them . or are the many just asking for jobs to work live pay taxes and ,make a living

You have any proof of that claim? Can you speak for the many unemployed?

]And please you give me statistics I'll give you statistics.

You keep forgeting who the majority in this country is.

Hint, it is not rich CEO'S or wanta be lawyers.

The majority of the country are neither winners nor losers. The gop wins when that group thinks winning is a good thing, worth pursuing. Dems win when they convince the majority that the game is rigged and its better to let the government take care of them than to expend effort in a losing cause
 
20% of the people control 93% of the nations wealth and still you whine and cry, how much do you want? What price are you willing to pay to get it? How did 20% of the people accumulate 93% of this nations wealth?

Its you that is whining. I want winners to keep what they make and encourage the others to try to be winners. Its not the proper purpose of government to redistribute wealth

How did 20% accumulate so much? the same way Federer and Nadal and Djokavic have won more majors in the last 6 year than the rest of the world combined. They are better at the game
 
The majority of the country are neither winners nor losers. The gop wins when that group thinks winning is a good thing, worth pursuing. Dems win when they convince the majority that the game is rigged and its better to let the government take care of them than to expend effort in a losing cause

The Dems will win because it is so obvious that the game has been rigged, the transfer of wealth went where, to the middle class to the poor? Wall street tanked and still the rich got richer, they did not jump out of tenth floor windows, why? Repubs resist any effort to create or protect the jobs of Americans, why?

You and your conservative buddies are about to get a real wake up call in 2012
 
The Dems will win because it is so obvious that the game has been rigged, the transfer of wealth went where, to the middle class to the poor? Wall street tanked and still the rich got richer, they did not jump out of tenth floor windows, why? Repubs resist any effort to create or protect the jobs of Americans, why?

You and your conservative buddies are about to get a real wake up call in 2012

whining about why you constantly lose is rather trite.
 
whining about why you constantly lose is rather trite.

The whining is about over, the voting "2012" will level the playing field giving hard working americans an opportunity to re-establish the middle class
 
The whining is about over, the voting "2012" will level the playing field giving hard working americans an opportunity to re-establish the middle class

really? how do you propose that is going to happen? tax the rich more so the middle class becomes even more indolent and slothful
 
really? how do you propose that is going to happen? tax the rich more so the middle class becomes even more indolent and slothful

Absolutely lets go back to pre Reagan tax rates, I want the draft re-established and all college grads required to serve a minimum of 4 years
 
Absolutely lets go back to pre Reagan tax rates, I want the draft re-established and all college grads required to serve a minimum of 4 years

so you are a fascist as well as a wealth confiscator? I think anyone who wants to create involuntary servitude ought to be treated as a dictator and dealt with accordingly. and you need to pay the top rates if you want others to pay them.

If you cannot afford a 70% tax on your next dollar than you have no right to demand others pay that
 
so you are a fascist as well as a wealth confiscator? I think anyone who wants to create involuntary servitude ought to be treated as a dictator and dealt with accordingly. and you need to pay the top rates if you want others to pay them.

If you cannot afford a 70% tax on your next dollar than you have no right to demand others pay that

Label me any way you want to your opinion means nothing to me, involuntary servitude was okay for how many years? We used to call it defending our country and now you call it what? Re-establish the draft and send every college grad to any place on this earth where we have to go to defend "our way of life"
 
Label me any way you want to your opinion means nothing to me, involuntary servitude was okay for how many years? We used to call it defending our country and now you call it what? Re-establish the draft and send every college grad to any place on this earth where we have to go to defend "our way of life"

why not send those too stupid to make it to college/ save the smart people for jobs that require intelligence and use the dullards for cannon fodder
 
why not send those too stupid to make it to college/ save the smart people for jobs that require intelligence and use the dullards for cannon fodder

Why, who is going to mow your grass or empty your trash if you keep sending all of the "stupid" folks to defend big business interests. Send the intelligent college grads off and eliminate some of those up and coming young lawyers who will be taking over your job
 
Why, who is going to mow your grass or empty your trash if you keep sending all of the "stupid" folks to defend big business interests. Send the intelligent college grads off and eliminate some of those up and coming young lawyers who will be taking over your job

I guess you don't get it. I don't believe that a government has the proper power to draft people or tax them at the rates you want. You seem to worship an all powerful government. Those of us who are productive and resourceful tend to loathe big overly powerful government
 
I guess you don't get it. I don't believe that a government has the proper power to draft people or tax them at the rates you want. You seem to worship an all powerful government. Those of us who are productive and resourceful tend to loathe big overly powerful government

Your right I worship big government, I believe that every college grad should immediately be inducted into the armed service. I also believe that any college grad who avoided the draft by going to college should immediately be required to serve in some capacity.

Exactly what is it that you think makes you any more important then the person who picks up your garbage, or digs a ditch or builds a bridge?
 
Your right I worship big government, I believe that every college grad should immediately be inducted into the armed service. I also believe that any college grad who avoided the draft by going to college should immediately be required to serve in some capacity.

Exactly what is it that you think makes you any more important then the person who picks up your garbage, or digs a ditch or builds a bridge?

I believe that such thinking should be eradicated. People are not slaves of the state and enslavers ought to be treated as criminals or enemies.

I never said I was, but I am more valuable to the market I know that sucks to you but it is true.
 
I believe that such thinking should be eradicated. People are not slaves of the state and enslavers ought to be treated as criminals or enemies.

I never said I was, but I am more valuable to the market I know that sucks to you but it is true.

Lawyers are a dime a dozen, your personal value is all in your head
 
Lawyers are a dime a dozen, your personal value is all in your head

sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.
 
sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.

I am not upset at all, you believe that money measures a persons value, I believe that every person has a value that can't be measured by a bank account, I need the people that pick up my garbage much more then I need you, I need a plumber much more then I need you, I need a electrician much more then I need you, I need teachers and fire fighters and police much more then I need you, I need the young men and women of our armed forces much more then I need you. You are very low on my need list, hopefully I never need you
 
I am not upset at all, you believe that money measures a persons value, I believe that every person has a value that can't be measured by a bank account, I need the people that pick up my garbage much more then I need you, I need a plumber much more then I need you, I need a electrician much more then I need you, I need teachers and fire fighters and police much more then I need you, I need the young men and women of our armed forces much more then I need you. You are very low on my need list, hopefully I never need you

what is funny is that you have spent several posts whining about the rich having too much money and wanting to impose higher taxes and involuntary servitude on others and then you come back with this rot
 
what is funny is that you have spent several posts whining about the rich having too much money and wanting to impose higher taxes and involuntary servitude on others and then you come back with this rot

How are the comments from Earl merited with the pejorative of "ROT" by you? They seem very clear, rational and well written

I am not upset at all, you believe that money measures a persons value, I believe that every person has a value that can't be measured by a bank account, I need the people that pick up my garbage much more then I need you, I need a plumber much more then I need you, I need a electrician much more then I need you, I need teachers and fire fighters and police much more then I need you, I need the young men and women of our armed forces much more then I need you. You are very low on my need list, hopefully I never need you

He very clearly and calmly explains the significance of some valuable people in his life and the meaninglessness and insignificance of others which contribute nothing to his life. Of course, that would be important to him and his formation of his ideas on public policy. Don't you see that?
 
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