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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

U.S. Socialist. said:
Warren Buffet has called for higher taxes on the rich. Is he whiny and jealous?
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1) he ingratiates himself to people like you and he helps support the dems-its the party he supports

2) high death and income taxes prevent others from making it to the top.
 
EarlzP said:
The tax cut did nothing for the poor, did nothing to create employment in the USA, it contributed to the deficit and now the middle class, the poor and elderly are being told that they have to give up programs that helped them survive and those that benefited the most don't want to give up the tax break.
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Where are your priorites man? What's more important, keeping the middled class from poverty or the rich being able to afford a second yacht???
 
Ockham said:
No he's a rich old **** who's going to die soon, and is trying to get into Gods good graces.
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He was just one example. I can find more examples of rich people calling for higher taxes on them. I believe Bill Gates has for instance.
 
Who knows? Bush wasn't serious about economic growth.

Added 12,000 pages of regulations and spent like a drunken sailor.
 
I would go as far as abolishing the income tax completely.

Involuntary theft.

At least you have some amount of choice with a consumption tax.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
He was just one example. I can find more examples of rich people calling for higher taxes on them. I believe Bill Gates has for instance.
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They could make a skyscraper out of 100 dollar bills and still be the richest men in the world.

I am sure they could care less what their tax rate is.
 
Catawba said:
Where are your priorites man? What's more important, keeping the middled class from poverty or the rich being able to afford a second yacht???
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false choice.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
He was just one example. I can find more examples of rich people calling for higher taxes on them. I believe Bill Gates has for instance.
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yeah those making billions can afford it and they get people like you to love them

how much money do they give the federal government? do you know that the US government won't get any of Buffett's estate?
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
I would go as far as abolishing the income tax completely.

Involuntary theft.

At least you have some amount of choice with a consumption tax.
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Taxes aren't theft. They are the price you pay for civilization. You don't wanna pay taxes then go live in the woods.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Taxes aren't theft. They are the price you pay for civilization. You don't wanna pay taxes then go live in the woods.
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The government has nothing so it must take from somebody. That is theft.

Is some theft necessary? Yes.

But predetermined theft is the worst kind.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
The government has nothing so it must take from somebody. That is theft.

Is some theft necessary? Yes.

But predetermined theft is the worst kind.
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socialists divide their time between justifying the productive paying too many taxes and supporting the unproductive or lazy getting full citizenship rights without any meaningful contributions
 
TurtleDude said:
the poorest people aren't the ones making up most of the military so your rant is silly. and its stupid to send off some guy at harvard medical school to be in the infantry. once a draft is enacted, individual rights no longer matter since they are subservient to the "common good" and the common good should be concerned with efficient allocation of talent meaning very smart people should be assigned to tasks that require brilliance while cannon fodder can be staffed with dullards
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What happens when an individual goes to Harvard do they grow a third leg, doctors are nothing more then high paid auto mechanics. Unfortunately having a high intellect means nothing if you don't use it and way to many highly qualified people never have an opportunity to get into Harvard.

Cannon fodder? That's how you describe other human beings? No one should ever be considered better or less disposable then any one else, Opportunity determines out come not intelligence. The rich have been being carried on the backs of the middle class and poor for way to long and need to be brought back to reality
 
EarlzP said:
What happens when an individual goes to Harvard do they grow a third leg, doctors are nothing more then high paid auto mechanics. Unfortunately having a high intellect means nothing if you don't use it and way to many highly qualified people never have an opportunity to get into Harvard.

Cannon fodder? That's how you describe other human beings? No one should ever be considered better or less disposable then any one else, Opportunity determines out come not intelligence. The rich have been being carried on the backs of the middle class and poor for way to long and need to be brought back to reality
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If society discards individual rights for the "common good' then treating people fairly or equally goes down the toilet. people should be assigned to where their talents are most needed in such a fascist environment.
 
TurtleDude said:
If society discards individual rights for the "common good' then treating people fairly or equally goes down the toilet. people should be assigned to where their talents are most needed in such a fascist environment.
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And you think that a Harvard student can't be taught to load and aim a weapon is that it? Maybe you think that a son or daughter in Harvard is more important then a son or daughter not going into a Ivy League college?
 
EarlzP said:
And you think that a Harvard student can't be taught to load and aim a weapon is that it? Maybe you think that a son or daughter in Harvard is more important then a son or daughter not going into a Ivy League college?
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they can be but a guy with an IQ of 95 can fight well but he sure cannot make much of a doctor or aerospace engineeer.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Taxes aren't theft. They are the price you pay for civilization. You don't wanna pay taxes then go live in the woods.
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Better yet - go live on the moon.
Our nation will be better with Scrooge McDuck and Ebenezer Scrooge gone....lol
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
I would go as far as abolishing the income tax completely.

Involuntary theft.

At least you have some amount of choice with a consumption tax.
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If you disregard what is best for the country and make more than $200,000, I am not at all suprised that you would be for a consumption tax.

However, for the great majority who care about what is best for the country and makes less than $200,000 it is a stupid idea and will never get passed. It is why you don't hear any serious presidential candidates calling for replacing the income tax with a consumption tax.
 
TurtleDude said:
socialists divide their time between justifying the productive paying too many taxes and supporting the unproductive or lazy getting full citizenship rights without any meaningful contributions
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There you go again calling our forefathers socialists.
 
EarlzP said:
And you think that a Harvard student can't be taught to load and aim a weapon is that it? Maybe you think that a son or daughter in Harvard is more important then a son or daughter not going into a Ivy League college?
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We need to reinstitute the draft. We would have a whole lot less optional wars if everyone had some skin in the game rather than predominantly the lower income class who need jobs because of 30 years of failed trickle down economics.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
The government has nothing so it must take from somebody. That is theft.

Is some theft necessary? Yes.

But predetermined theft is the worst kind.
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Wow, what is with all the hatred of paying taxes? The wealthy would not benefit from a lawless society as there are always bigger fish in the sea .. one moment a wealthy man/woman thinks he/she is safe, the next moment he or she is killed by an even wealthier person ... still want to get rid of laws? It costs money to enforce them you know. It costs for the wealthy to transport as well and so on ... those living in a fantasy utopia made of no law have likely seen so much prosperity that there is nothing left that will make them happy. Therefore, they likely resort to going after the less fortunate in order to achieve some kind of sick satisfaction .. pathetic really.
 
TurtleDude said:
If society discards individual rights for the "common good' then treating people fairly or equally goes down the toilet. people should be assigned to where their talents are most needed in such a fascist environment.
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I do not think anyone is arguing against talent to be used in natural ways. Instead, most are proposing equaling the playing field so that there is just a smidgen of equal opportunity.
 
Catawba said:
"According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,
The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired."
It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes
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I see that you AGAIN failed to address the point - that the responsibility to 'contribute' to the society that provides you the benefits you gain from living here exists regardless of how hard it might be to contribute. Not a surprise.

"According to a recently released IRS report, almost 1,500 of America's 230,000 millionaires avoided paying any federal income tax in 2009."
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Guessing you didn't actually read your cite...
According to a recently released IRS report, almost 1,500 of America's 230,000 millionaires avoided paying any federal income tax in 2009.

So how did they do it? Were they scamming the system? Evading the IRS? Stashing their cash in elusive off-shore, untraceable bank accounts?

Actually, they were probably donating to charity, investing in local and state government bonds and making most of their money overseas.

Most of the millionaires who did not pay income tax to the IRS probably still had to hand over a chunk of their change, just not to the U.S. government, said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center.

Instead, many of America's high earners pay income taxes to foreign governments because of profits from overseas investments.

"In most cases, they are paying taxes outside the U.S. and the federal government says, 'We are not going to double tax you. If you pay tax overseas and that's as much or more than you pay here, we aren't going to charge you more,'" Williams said.
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Catawba said:
How nice of you to change the subject. None of that changes the truth of what I posted - an almost unanimous Republican majority voted for both extending the Bush Tax cuts and the Iraq war while the majority of Democrats voted against both.
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I'm sorry that you don't like the fact that The Obama forced the extension of GWB's tax cuts for the rich... but your failure to address the point is still a failure to address the point.

As far as entitlements go. SS has not contributed one dime to our debt.
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Until now, as it is currently in the red.
And, of course, SS is only part of our entitlement spending.

Medicare has the same problem private health insurance does....
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And thus, represents an unfunded increase in entitlement spending.

That you can ignore a $500B unfunded increase in entitlement spendng - in just ONE year - when assigning blame for the deficts only denotes your extreme partisanship and inabaility to exercise any degree of intellectual honesty.
 
More of the same whiny ****. Its not FAIR that the wealthy have succeeded and the poor and low income people are such dismal failures. Make the rich take care of them!

Meanwhile...

LONDON (AP) -- Britain must confront a culture of laziness, irresponsibility and selfishness that fueled four days of riots which left five people dead, thousands facing criminal charges and hundreds of millions in damages, Prime Minister David Cameron acknowledged Monday.

As rival political leaders staked out their response to England's unrest, Cameron pledged to deliver a raft of new policies by October aimed at reversing the "slow-motion moral collapse" which he blames for fostering the disorder.

"This has been a wake-up call for our country. Social problems that have been festering for decades have exploded in our face," Cameron told an audience at a youth center in Witney, his Parliamentary district in southern England. "Just as people last week wanted criminals robustly confronted on our street, so they want to see these social problems taken on and defeated."

took em long enough to realize...the social services explosion has created a bunch of crippled and dependent pets and they sure do get uppity when someone starts cutting back on the free cheese. Whiny ****s. Stand up for once in your lives. Stop expecting others to provide for you.
 
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