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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why are you again trying to divert this thread by obsessing over your misconstruction of what I said?
    You don't wish to discuss facts that relate to the topic. Yeah, we got it!

    You also have not answered the question here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059780646 (What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?)
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Well Turtle, congratulations.

    You sir are exactly the reason why Capitalism gets a bad wrap.

    To say that the employees who help make a company great, or who help make a company prosperous deserve not to see any of the profits they create is exactly the reason why people turn to alternate economic setups like Communism.

    I think a company, within reason (of course), be treated somewhat like a community. If only businesses could do this, maybe we wouldn't have such a huge wealth stratification problem right now and so many people bitching about taxes and welfare and all that other mumbo jumbo.

    If we can treat a company like a community, and not just a big machine filled with labor that's treated like a commodity, perhaps people wouldn't need such a huge government to protect them and provide food stamps.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Well said David. You make some excellent points - especially about community.

    and from Turtle on Davids excellent post

    emoting where thinking is needed is not helpful.
    Should I make a joke here about "thank you Mr. Spock"? I thought the post from David was filled with excellent thinking. To characterize it otherwise is simply attacking the ideas in the guise of trying to be clever.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well said David. You make some excellent points - especially about community.

    and from Turtle on Davids excellent post



    Should I make a joke here about "thank you Mr. Spock"? I thought the post from David was filled with excellent thinking. To characterize it otherwise is simply attacking the ideas in the guise of trying to be clever.
    Why thank you Haymarket.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post

    To say that the employees who help make a company great, or who help make a company prosperous should not be able to share in any any of the profits they create is exactly the reason why people turn to alternate economic setups like Communism.
    Why should they be able to do anything of the sort? The money they earn is merely the money of the employer. They have no right to any more money than they're given by the employer.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Well Turtle, congratulations.

    You sir are exactly the reason why Capitalism gets a bad wrap.

    To say that the employees who help make a company great, or who help make a company prosperous should not be able to share in any any of the profits they create is exactly the reason why people turn to alternate economic setups like Communism.

    I think a company, within reason (of course), be treated somewhat like a community. If only businesses could do this, maybe we wouldn't have such a huge wealth stratification problem right now and so many people bitching about taxes and welfare and all that other mumbo jumbo.

    If we can treat a company like a community, and not just a big machine filled with labor that's treated like a commodity, perhaps people wouldn't need such a huge government to protect them and provide food stamps.

    TurtleDude - you are your own worst enemy.
    I bet if we each ran a similar company within five years I'd own yours. Out of curiosity do you actually own or run a corporation? I was on the board of a not for profit retirement community many years ago. we were discussing the employment manual. I noted that we needed to change the names of those workers who passed probationary employment from permanent workers to REGULAR workers.

    A PhD-a leader in her field of geriatrics asked why. The head of the corporation-both a pastor and an attorney noted that recent federal court decisions had indicated that in hire/fire at will states, workers had successfully "relied" on the term PERMANENT workers when fired for cause or lack of work. SO I noted we had to guard against that manual being interpreted as a quasi-contract that could be used to assert an estoppel argument. This PhD was upset and said it was "mean" to do that. So the president asked her if she wanted all the people suffering dementia but who were treated at no cost by this richly endowed corporation to lose their treatment due to some plaintiff's attorney suing the place for firing an abusive staff member. She finally realized that business reality trumps emotobabbling



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should they be able to do anything of the sort? The money they earn is merely the money of the employer. They have no right to any more money than they given by the employer.
    true

    I noted he didn't answer my question as to whether the suppliers of other commodities should be paid a bonus beyond the contract price for the steel or energy they supply

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well said David. You make some excellent points - especially about community.

    and from Turtle on Davids excellent post



    Should I make a joke here about "thank you Mr. Spock"? I thought the post from David was filled with excellent thinking. To characterize it otherwise is simply attacking the ideas in the guise of trying to be clever.
    An expected response from someone who admittedly has never run a business nor worked in the private sector.



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should they be able to do anything of the sort? The money they earn is merely the money of the employer. They have no right to any more money than they given by the employer.
    Henrin - As a company grows and becomes more profitable, I think it would be great if some of that wealth could be shared amongst the employees who helped grow the company.

    After all, they helped created it. Right?

    Why shouldn't they justifiably see any of that payoff?

    And I'm not talking communism here and saying that all workers are the same. If an employee did a crappy job, fire him. If someone can't provide a good quality of labor, fire him. But if your employee did the job you asked of him, and your company reaped profits as a result, why not share a portion of it?

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Is there no one among those who defend the wealth concentrated at the top, answer this question:

    Tell us how a consumer economy can prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top?
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