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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Oh I agree there are a far greater number of non achievers and unsuccessful than there are winners, achievers and even net tax payers. For every PGA champion there are a million duffers, for every Olympic Gold medalist there are thousands of people who don't even try to be the best they could be

    your side wins when you convince a majority of those in the middle that trying to achieve is not worth the effort and winning is too long a shot because the odds are against them

    my side wins when the majority believes there is value in making the effort even if you don't get the gold medal

    and you are an extremist catawba, most people don't hate the rich and blame them for their lot in life
    I do not hate the rich and blame them for my lot in life. Unlike the majority of the middle class, I have no complaint's about my lot in life. The issue is that a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top. Too bad you are not as good at providing facts to back up your absurd claim that the middle class are failures, as are in your ability to lie.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    TD - I'm talking worker 'John' is the same skill level today as he is tomorrow. If you pay him more, same labor quality will be provided.

    So despite the profit jump, you would not increase his pay?

    Tell me where then does all of the profit go that worker 'John' helped create? (ponder that for a moment)

    The only way workers can get a share of profits is if their skill level increases??

    This is exactly why labor can't be treated like a commodity.

    Thanks for helping me make my point.
    if you can obtain the same quality and quantity of labor for the same price why would you?

    It violates your fiduciary duty to the shareholders

    it puts you at a competitive disadvantage compared to your competition



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at all. I have no problem with it.

    I do have to raise an eyebrow when I hear or read the comments from somebody who describes guns like he is having a good time with a Playboy centerfold. The line crosses from a simple appreciation of self defense to just plain weirdness.
    You must be reading posts I have not written. or interpreting them in a most strange fashion, Guns are tools, tools that I have spent many years training with and using. Jan Ove Waldner doesn't "love" his Donic table tennis bat, and Rick McKinney didn't have a thing for his hoyt bow. Neither do I for guns.



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I do not hate the rich and blame them for my lot in life. Unlike the majority of the middle class, I have no complaint's about my lot in life. The issue is that a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top. Too bad you are not as good at providing facts to back up your absurd claim that the middle class are failures, as are in your ability to lie.
    what is success and what is failure. You apparently judge yourself a failure based on your complaints about those who are not



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you can obtain the same quality and quantity of labor for the same price why would you?

    It violates your fiduciary duty to the shareholders

    it puts you at a competitive disadvantage compared to your competition
    So you are saying that a company's profits are only to be reaped by the shareholders, never to be at least partially shared with the workers who created the profits, unless the workers can provide a higher quality of labor than they provided to create the profits in the first place?

    Something doesn't seem fair about that TD.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is success and what is failure. You apparently judge yourself a failure based on your complaints about those who are not
    More lies and zero facts. What reason should we have to ever expect anything else from you?

    If you can manage to avoid the temptation to whine about how hard the rich have it for a few seconds, tell us how a consumer economy can prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top?
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you appear rather agitated. Corporations can tend to move to where labor is available. How about your working class heroes that you bray about?? Economic reality and economic power might not be comforting to those on the bottom of the totem pole but denying obvious realities are silly.


    I am sorry that you don't like the golden rule-that being those who have the gold make the rules but ranting about it doesn't solve your obvious problems
    Ah another mistake turtle not agitated just leveling the playing feild, had to come down to your level but what te Hell?

    Working class heros that I bray about want to challange that?
    Because these working class heros buy products and invest in American corporations, so unless these corporations that move so well aren't real nice to American worker heros, they stop buying American products and investing in American products.
    Then that black ink will start turning red once more.

    See like it or not the ones at the top of the totem pole get most of their money from the ones further down the totem pole.

    Those who have the gold may make the rules, but keeping the Gold , well that's another matter.
    Want a list?
    How about Enron used to have money
    Freddie Mac
    Fannie May
    Real estate brokers.
    GM used to have money
    American vidieo games used to have money Budweiser used to have American owned mney
    Chrysler used to have American controled stock money.
    NEED I GO ON???
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    So you are saying that a company's profits are only to be reaped by the shareholders, never to be at least partially shared with the workers who created the profits, unless the workers can provide a higher quality of labor than they provided to create the profits in the first place?

    Something doesn't seem fair about that TD.
    fair is not a really relevant concept and it would be unfair to the owners of the corporation for management to pay too much for something that can be obtained for less

    should the corporation pay its energy and steel and plastics and lumber suppliers more than the going rate as well to be "fair"



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Ah another mistake turtle not agitated just leveling the playing feild, had to come down to your level but what te Hell?

    Working class heros that I bray about want to challange that?
    Because these working class heros buy products and invest in American corporations, so unless these corporations that move so, well aren't real nice to American worker heros they stop buying American products and investing in American products.
    Then that black ink will start turning red once more.

    See like it or not the ones at the top of the totem pole get most of their money from the ones further down the totem pole.

    Those who have the gold may make the rules but keeping the Gold , well that's another matter.
    Want a list?
    How about Enron used to have money
    Freddie Mac
    Fannie May
    Real estate brokers.
    GM used to have money
    American vidieo games used to have money Budweiser used to have American owned mney
    Chrysler used to have American controled stock money.
    NEED I GO ON???
    as you become more agitated the clarity of your posts wane from somewhat understandable to opaque psychobabbling nonsense



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You must be reading posts I have not written. or interpreting them in a most strange fashion, Guns are tools, tools that I have spent many years training with and using. Jan Ove Waldner doesn't "love" his Donic table tennis bat, and Rick McKinney didn't have a thing for his hoyt bow. Neither do I for guns.
    I am glad to see that you can say that. Now all that you have to do is avoid writing posts as if you do in the future.
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