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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you keep attributing things to me that have no basis in fact.

    I don't want less jobs, I want less government waste and less taxes. HOw does that decrease jobs?
    HOW DOES THAT INCREASE JOBS?

    Money is money pal, I don't see less outsourcseing I see more.
    Smaller government helps corporations and the rich, it does nothing for the working American.
    What do the lower middle class and working poor and unemployed get from a smaller government less taxes ? lol,lol,lol
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    HOW DOES THAT INCREASE JOBS?

    Money is money pal, I don't see less outsourcseing I see more.
    Smaller government helps corporations and the rich, it does nothing for the working American.
    What do the lower middle class and working poor and unemployed get from a smaller government less taxes ? lol,lol,lol
    well we know a few things

    1) jacking up taxes on the rich won't increase jobs and the last I checked this thread was about the tax rates that were implemented by Bush as a reaction to the Clinton tax hikes and then extended by Obumble.

    2) You labor under the idiotic delusion that more government actually helps the poor. What the poor get from more government is akin to what addicts get from Pushers.

    but thanks for admitting that the rich really don't benefit as much from government as the poor and lower middle class. that bit of honesty is refreshing and is a major bitch slap to those who claim that the rich benefit from more and more government



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    whatever, you can update me on the gunfights you have been through and your training but its a waste of time.
    I'm still here.
    This country ever loses it's Capitalist government I'll still be here, but you and the boys at the top should be asking for a stronger bigger government not a smaller weaker one.
    There's a lot of pissed off people out here.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How is that responsive to the post I made?
    It disproves your claim that those that disagree with you are extremists, we are in fact the majority.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I'm still here.
    This country ever loses it's Capitalist government I'll still be here, but you and the boys at the top should be asking for a stronger bigger government not a smaller weaker one.
    There's a lot of pissed off people out here.
    ah the subtle threats-the masses will revolt!!

    as i said earlier start your revolt on my property



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It disproves your claim that those that disagree with you are extremists, we are in fact the majority.
    Oh I agree there are a far greater number of non achievers and unsuccessful than there are winners, achievers and even net tax payers. For every PGA champion there are a million duffers, for every Olympic Gold medalist there are thousands of people who don't even try to be the best they could be

    your side wins when you convince a majority of those in the middle that trying to achieve is not worth the effort and winning is too long a shot because the odds are against them

    my side wins when the majority believes there is value in making the effort even if you don't get the gold medal

    and you are an extremist catawba, most people don't hate the rich and blame them for their lot in life



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you appear rather agitated. Corporations can tend to move to where labor is available. How about your working class heroes that you bray about?? Economic reality and economic power might not be comforting to those on the bottom of the totem pole but denying obvious realities are silly.


    I am sorry that you don't like the golden rule-that being those who have the gold make the rules but ranting about it doesn't solve your obvious problems
    I think of labor as a commodity through design. Barge those jobs to cheap labor. Not that I like it ... it just is. The ranting is about advertisement and education, in time as labor loses ground more opportunity exists for change. When labor is unaware and continually allows access to markets for cheap labor goods ... their deserved punishment continues. I enjoyed the honest post as educational for those who vote for poverty.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    2) Marx defined commodity to include labor. Labor, like energy, material, etc are items a manufacturer needs to produce a product. Its idiotic for a manufacturer to pay more for any of those items than the going market rate.
    You can't treat labor like a commodity, and I'll put it simply here as to why:

    What do you pay for an ingredient or packaging material? The cheapest possible price possible - right?

    When your company has an increase in profits, say 20%, would you opt to pay for those packaging materials at a higher price too? Of course not. You keep it at the lowest possible price.

    So if you're going to treat labor like a commodity are you saying that as a company's profits grow, at no point should you ever opt to pay your workers any better (because they're a commodity after all), and that you should continue to pay them the lowest possible dirt cheap price?

    If so, I think you'd make a pretty crappy boss.

    Personally, I'd like to share the profits with the employees who helped make the company profitable.

    People = Labor =/= Commodities
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    You can't treat labor like a commodity, and I'll put it simply here as to why:

    What do you pay for an ingredient or packaging material? The cheapest possible price possible - right?

    When your company has an increase in profits, say 20%, would you opt to pay for those packaging materials at a higher price too? Of course not. You keep it at the lowest possible price.

    So if you're going to treat labor like a commodity are you saying that as a company's profits grow, at no point should you ever opt to pay them any better (because they're a commodity after all), and that you should continue to pay them the lowest possible dirt cheap price?

    I don't know about you but as a head of a company, I'd like to share the profits with the employees who helped make the company profitable.
    If you can get a higher standard of labor by paying more than you should. that makes sense. paying more than the market rate because you can is going to hurt your enterprise in the long run unless you get an increase in quality



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ah the subtle threats-the masses will revolt!!

    as i said earlier start your revolt on my property
    Why do you persist in the delusion that if a revolt does come somebody representing the people you hate will agree to meet you at high noon on your driveway, calmly discuss a choice of weapons and thirty paces will provide a structure for the contest? Then your self proclaimed superior training and love of all things that go BANG will allow you to triumph, your name will be etched on a DO NOT BOTHER list and you and yours will continue to live a life of luxury?
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