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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle - one can acquire basic knowledge about baseball without having ever played the game. One can have played the game on some level without ever having achieved anything in it. One can even achieve in the game without ever developing a true love for the game. And one can even love the game without truly understanding all its subtleties and nuances that escape so many.

    Unless you have been a member of a labor union and know the first hand importance of being in a union, all the textbook information about unions is simply not enough to gain any true appreciation for unions and what it means to be a member. It is akin to a dried up old spinster in her eighties with a room full of well read romance novels but has never been in love herself.

    Upsideguy - thanks for that great quote --- it comes at a perfect time in this discussion.
    that is bs. you may well know how YOUR UNION works better than I do but you certainly cannot claim that being a member of the union (meaning you buy into the merits of the union) somehow makes you more knowledgeable on a union's impact on the economic environment or its place in the labor market.

    In fact I would note that you are more likely to buy into the propaganda and less likely to be able to see objective reality



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ..ah, but it is your obligation:

    Luke 12:48
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    But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.


    If you are a poor steward of your blessings, they should be taken away.
    quoting myths to me is pretty lame


    and I protect what i have rather zealously. and you confuse being asked with being coerced.

    trying to justify parasitic infections with the bible is just plain wrong



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    there may be some truth to that today but it was not always so. In the labor movement of the Gilded Age, there was a very strong anti-government sentiment which even was as far as supporting anarchy because the government was on the side of the rich and wealthy and used its powers to subvert labor and the movement.

    It is only with the changes of the 20th century that government no longer is the target of unionist ire and anger the way it was during the days of the 1870's and 80's and 90's.

    Many today - and that would include myself - see a strong government as a necessary bulwark against corporatism and the abuses of wealth.
    and many of us see strong corporations and state governments as a bulwark against socialism and abuses of a centralized government



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I always find it interesting that those who want the rich to be taxed more so as to "decentralize wealth" in private hands are the same ones who want more and more centralized government
    You failed to answer the question again.... Answer the question...
    But i want a "more centralized government" because i want the rich to be taxed more?
    But please answer the question tutrle... Are you ok with an oligarchy, if not we are already in one? Answer the question.


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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You failed to answer the question again.... Answer the question...
    But i want a "more centralized government" because i want the rich to be taxed more?
    But please answer the question tutrle... Are you ok with an oligarchy, if not we are already in one? Answer the question.
    Its a false choice



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Using logic give me one reason that business would want to create jobs here in america, the repubs can use lower corporate tax rates but that is nothing more then the same dog and pony show BS we have seen with the Bush tax cuts, employment as we knew it is gone from America, big business has no incentive to re-invest in America when they can build in China and other countries where labor costs are 1/10th what they pay here

    The only job growth we could see in America are jobs created by the government and we know that the republicans will fight that all the way to 2012, If you want America to survive vote out all of the republicans and demand that the government puts high enough import taxes on foreign made goods to create a competitive environment for American workers
    Very well lets use logic.

    American corporations live and operate under a capitalist society that is fact.
    The target consumer of American products sales is the American people.
    Sure American business can build in China under China's rule.
    China is a socialist country everything made by workers goes to the state.
    If you are a Chinese worker and you know you work for the state are you going to buy Chinese products or American products?

    I was a hard core Democrat but now I am independent.
    As long as the blame game and partisan politics can survive nobody will prosper.

    Not America, not American workers , and eventualy not American corporations.
    This trend really started in 2003, and it's only gotten worce.
    Where is Real estate , manufacturing, electronics, garment inds today?
    Where is unemployment, food stamps, credit cards, foreclosures,money circulation?
    Where is the economy, product sales and tax revenue today?

    In my humble opinion the left could become a little bit right ,and the right could become a little bit left and maybe somewhere in the middle is an answer to how to fix this country.

    Any politician left or right should put his country before his party.

    I say screw the rightwingers and the leftwingers the independent party nominee is who I'm voting for , until this blame game and pointing fingures **** is over between the Republicans and Democrats and they go to work.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets play who knows more about the labor movement and labor law.
    Oh can I take a wild guess at the answer?

    Lets see, who knows more about the labor movement and the labor law.

    Don't tell me, could it be laborers or workers know the most about the labor movement and labor law, for if you take out the laborers , WELL?

    Labor day look up to see how it got started?
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Oh can I take a wild guess at the answer?

    Lets see, who knows more about the labor movement and the labor law.

    Don't tell me, could it be laborers or workers know the most about the labor movement and labor law, for if you take out the laborers , WELL?

    Labor day look up to see how it got started?
    that is confused and rambling--normally you are more lucid

    care for a 'do over'?



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    envy is not a proper grounds for economic policies. a wage is nothing more than a company buying a commodity known as labor. If a company's profits double does that mean it should pay twice as much for energy or steel than the going rate? You have never chased me off of anything. I don't even listen to limbaugh but your rantings certainly show me who is successful in life

    Lets play who is more educated. want a shot at the title?
    Careful Turtle education cuts a wide slice.

    You may be educated in one area but another you would not last an hour.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Careful Turtle education cuts a wide slice.

    You may be educated in one area but another you would not last an hour.
    true, I don't know anything about broadway musicals, HVAC repair, tap dancing, or servicing hard drives.

    Labor law and labor history, have a masters in that



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