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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Poor Randel, I know as much or more about Unions than you do. I have a degree in that issue. and while unions once provided a proper counterbalance to predatory management, unions are nothing more than a drain on society these days-a drain that is becoming extinct with more and more globalization. No wonder the unions are fighting so hard to keep the taxpayer robbing public sector unions in place-the public sector is about the only area where competition cannot create the proper wage environment.
    you may just want to be quiet now, your ignorance on the topic is showing

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when I post stuff that is of equal factual merit you avoid it. debating by proxy is lame. why don't you tell us in your own words why proof of the middle class disappearing is proven by say the amount of debt "keeping up with the Joneses" middle class families have accumulated?
    This is simple...the middleclass is disappearing because the Rich corporate pigs at the trough took most of the MIDDLECLASS paying jobs out of the country so they could have mOAR...had nothing to do with taxs or regulations its all about greed.
    The jobs that are left have no pensions no benefits, stagnant pay and less hours so again the pigs at the trough can have mOAR. Theres going to come a time when theres no middleclass to buy the pigs goods and to support their greed and that will be the day they eat themselves...

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the parasitic unionista left constantly claims that when they don't pay near the taxes I do.

    when half of your next dollar is taken by state and federal governments that is "heavily taxed"

    when a group that earns 22% of the income yet pays 40% of the income tax and the surcharge known as the death or estate tax, they are HEAVILY TAXED compared to those 47% who pay NO income and no estate tax


    when you start paying as much tax dollars as I do you might have some standing to make such idiotic pronouncements. Until then, you are talking out of your six
    You're either lying or a trust fund brat idiot. No one as clueless (and nearly illiterate) as you could have possibly amassed a fortune on their own... legally.

    I've chased you off several threads now with the facts you seem to not be able to swallow or refute and so jump to a new thread to scream and whine your favorite Limbaugh inspired whine about parasites, leaches and etc.

    Does this sound familiar? No taxation without representation. Since the wealthy have a disproportionate access to Our representation, they should continue to have the same disproportionate tax burden.

    And for the thousandth time...
    When productivity rises annually (thank you workers)
    When profits rise 104% on that productivity (thank you workers)
    When cost of living rises...
    When executive pay rises 400%

    And worker pay FALLS 4%, the only tit being sucked on is the worker's.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you may just want to be quiet now, your ignorance on the topic is showing
    lets play who knows more about the labor movement and labor law.



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    You're either lying or a trust fund brat idiot. No one as clueless (and nearly illiterate) as you could have possibly amassed a fortune on their own... legally.

    I've chased you off several threads now with the facts you seem to not be able to swallow or refute and so jump to a new thread to scream and whine your favorite Limbaugh inspired whine about parasites, leaches and etc.

    Does this sound familiar? No taxation without representation. Since the wealthy have a disproportionate access to Our representation, they should continue to have the same disproportionate tax burden.

    And for the thousandth time...
    When productivity rises annually (thank you workers)
    When profits rise 104% on that productivity (thank you workers)
    When cost of living rises...
    When executive pay rises 400%

    And worker pay FALLS 4%, the only tit being sucked on is the worker's.
    envy is not a proper grounds for economic policies. a wage is nothing more than a company buying a commodity known as labor. If a company's profits double does that mean it should pay twice as much for energy or steel than the going rate? You have never chased me off of anything. I don't even listen to limbaugh but your rantings certainly show me who is successful in life

    Lets play who is more educated. want a shot at the title?



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    TD do you care if an oligarchy forms? Do you understand that if we keep on the track we are on right now an oligarchy will rule, even if they dont rule already.. Are you ok with this?


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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    explain to me why I should have to work X hours a week to pay for your health care in addition to paying for mine?

    It is certainly not my fault or my doing if you are not skilled enough to gain sufficient compensation to pay for your own needs
    ..ah, but it is your obligation:

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets play who knows more about the labor movement and labor law.
    Turtle - one can acquire basic knowledge about baseball without having ever played the game. One can have played the game on some level without ever having achieved anything in it. One can even achieve in the game without ever developing a true love for the game. And one can even love the game without truly understanding all its subtleties and nuances that escape so many.

    Unless you have been a member of a labor union and know the first hand importance of being in a union, all the textbook information about unions is simply not enough to gain any true appreciation for unions and what it means to be a member. It is akin to a dried up old spinster in her eighties with a room full of well read romance novels but has never been in love herself.

    Upsideguy - thanks for that great quote --- it comes at a perfect time in this discussion.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    TD do you care if an oligarchy forms? Do you understand that if we keep on the track we are on right now an oligarchy will rule, even if they dont rule already.. Are you ok with this?
    I always find it interesting that those who want the rich to be taxed more so as to "decentralize wealth" in private hands are the same ones who want more and more centralized government



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I always find it interesting that those who want the rich to be taxed more so as to "decentralize wealth" in private hands are the same ones who want more and more centralized government
    there may be some truth to that today but it was not always so. In the labor movement of the Gilded Age, there was a very strong anti-government sentiment which even was as far as supporting anarchy because the government was on the side of the rich and wealthy and used its powers to subvert labor and the movement.

    It is only with the changes of the 20th century that government no longer is the target of unionist ire and anger the way it was during the days of the 1870's and 80's and 90's.

    Many today - and that would include myself - see a strong government as a necessary bulwark against corporatism and the abuses of wealth.
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