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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

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    No I'm calling bailouts what they are theft
    I have said that I am against the bailouts. What is your point of continuing to discuss bailouts?

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    I'm saying that foriegn companies are outselling American companies at home and abroad. HP and Apple may be sold international but stack that up against exports and inports anytime.
    At the risk of being repetitious, minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and exports will increase as more companies will be in U.S. and some of those companies who import into the U.S. will manufacture in the U.S. lowering our imports.

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    Business are less profitable because a lot less people are buying because a lot more people are without jobs.
    You are being repetitious.

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    The economy will return when more Americans buy more American products . that can only happen when Americans have jobs.
    I'm going to offer more repetition. Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and jobs will come flooding to the U.S.

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    The ones already on the bottom have nothing to lose, what about the ones on the top?
    Guess what? Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and those at the top, middle, and bottom will all win.

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    Bad decisions were made when jobs were outsourced because when people lose jobs American corporations lose consumers.
    More repetition.

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    However, that's not how it went down the corporations kept their company thanks to the American taxpayer, the working people was shown how to exit a working job.
    Oh! Oh! Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and the American taxpayers will be paying more taxes due to higher rates of employment and higher incomes.

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    Ah, Hell not the old Reagan routine help the rich give more to the rich and progress will trickle down.
    Well, we tried upping government spending on "shovel-ready" work projects. How did that work?

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    Still waiting no trickling, noteven a drip.
    Employment increased after Reagan and Bush tax cuts.

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    And hows foriegn companies doing in the U.S. compared to Ford, GMC, Chrysler.
    Depends on what companies you are talking about. Some of the foreign ones are going broke. Ford has stayed profitable even without a bailout.

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    What's the differance anyway both are built by the same labor force, only thing differant is the name.
    No. Ford makes a good product and Chrysler makes a garbage product.

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    I'm all for budget cuts, as you say real budget cuts.
    Super! We have an agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    My question is what money do you get from budget cuts on the bottom compared to budget cuts from the top, that's where the money is nobody's cutting budgets from the top.
    If we reform or end entitlements, it will impact all brackets. If we cut the military, it will impact all brackets as jobs will be lost. This is true of most cuts.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Budweiser was sold out to foriegn investors, check it yourself.
    Sorry, but sometimes your half sentences are not deciferable. Yes, Budweiser is now owned by foreign investors. If you don't like that one, how about our President having Chrysler join up with Fiat? You must love that one. Have U.S. investors bought up any foreign companies?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Check the profit line on Sears the company not the product THIN ICE.
    Many companies are profitable today. If Sears is not, I might question their management.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    No my nick name is not Doom or Gloom. My nickname is REALITY CHECK.
    Your reality, I presume.

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    CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING? FINE LETS START WITH THE LOBBYIST AND WORK UP
    Are you planning to end the entire First Amendment or just the Free Speech part?

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    DO AWAY WITH TAXES BUT JUST ON COMPANIES HUH?
    Yes, as that would bring foreign companies into the U.S.

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    WHY NOT DO AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES AS WELL MAYBE DO AWAY WITH INTEREST ON CREDIT CARDS.
    Property taxes are not Federal taxes. They are state taxes. If you want to do away with them, I would suggest you talk to your state govenment officials. As for ending interest on credit cards, I like the idea. It would end the credit card business, but that would not bother me.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    MINIMIZE REGULATIONS AND UNLEASH AMERICAN INDUSTRY?
    WHERE IS AMERICAN INDUSTRY TO BE UNLEASHED TIA WAN, CHINA, MEXICO PHILLIPINES OR SOME OTHER THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
    Let's see. First we need to unleash American businesses and to bring back our manufacturing base. Second, we need to get foreign companies to build in the U.S. That unleashing would create jobs, jobs, jobs!

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    FINE COMPANIES THAT HIRE ILLEGALS STOP ALLOWING ILLEAGLES TO TAKE AMERICAN JOBS.
    Yep!

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    WHY NOT DOUBLE THE TAXES ON EVERY AMERICAN CORPORATION EVERY YEAR AND DOUBLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR ECT,THAT OUTSOURCES AMERICAN JOBS AND DOUBLE TAXES AND DOUBLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR ECT. ON ANYBODY HIREING ILLEGALS,
    That should get the American debt down. Either more jobs are available for working Americans or more money available for the American government that's a win win situation.
    The goal should not be to pay down the debt with these fines. The goal is to stop illegal aliens from taking jobs that should go to Americans. As for the doubling of taxes on outsourcing, I am against that as I want American firms to compete on the international market. Instead of punishing companies for moving, I would prefer to provide benefits for staying here.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Explain one thing for all of Henrin - how does your perception that the law may or may be be enforced all the time in three of these cities add up to my "failed"?
    You offered examples did you not? Those are the examples and they are failure.

    Look at the numbers:
    Offer the list so I can debunk the success of each one.

    And you gave us three cities without any real information other than your own take on things.
    My own take on them? What I offered is how they are working in those areas. Most of them are not being enforced so making a conclusion on their success is an exercise that has no reason to happen. While the other is only talking about government jobs or businesses that asked for help. None of the examples are really what you claimed them to be.

    Expand on your own mental processes so we all can understand just how you reached that judgment.
    I looked up the facts behind the examples.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post

    I looked up the facts behind the examples.
    You gave us NOTHING except your own biased opinion.

    You cited nothing.

    Offer the list so I can debunk the success of each one.
    Do your own research.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You gave us NOTHING except your own biased opinion.

    You cited nothing.



    Do your own research.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You gave us NOTHING except your own biased opinion.
    I told you how it is being done in those examples you offered. It is NOT my biased opinion.

    You cited nothing.
    True, I didn't.



    Do your own research.
    So you won't give me a list? Are you scared?

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I told you how it is being done in those examples you offered. It is NOT my biased opinion.



    True, I didn't.





    So you won't give me a list?
    I gave you the selection from the Wikipedia article that I had access to. If you want more, you need to dig and get more.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I have said that I am against the bailouts. What is your point of continuing to discuss bailouts?



    At the risk of being repetitious, minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and exports will increase as more companies will be in U.S. and some of those companies who import into the U.S. will manufacture in the U.S. lowering our imports.



    You are being repetitious.



    I'm going to offer more repetition. Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and jobs will come flooding to the U.S.



    Guess what? Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and those at the top, middle, and bottom will all win.



    More repetition.



    Oh! Oh! Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and the American taxpayers will be paying more taxes due to higher rates of employment and higher incomes.



    Well, we tried upping government spending on "shovel-ready" work projects. How did that work?



    Employment increased after Reagan and Bush tax cuts.



    Depends on what companies you are talking about. Some of the foreign ones are going broke. Ford has stayed profitable even without a bailout.



    No. Ford makes a good product and Chrysler makes a garbage product.



    Super! We have an agreement.



    If we reform or end entitlements, it will impact all brackets. If we cut the military, it will impact all brackets as jobs will be lost. This is true of most cuts.



    Sorry, but sometimes your half sentences are not deciferable. Yes, Budweiser is now owned by foreign investors. If you don't like that one, how about our President having Chrysler join up with Fiat? You must love that one. Have U.S. investors bought up any foreign companies?



    Many companies are profitable today. If Sears is not, I might question their management.



    Your reality, I presume.



    Are you planning to end the entire First Amendment or just the Free Speech part?



    Yes, as that would bring foreign companies into the U.S.



    Property taxes are not Federal taxes. They are state taxes. If you want to do away with them, I would suggest you talk to your state govenment officials. As for ending interest on credit cards, I like the idea. It would end the credit card business, but that would not bother me.



    Let's see. First we need to unleash American businesses and to bring back our manufacturing base. Second, we need to get foreign companies to build in the U.S. That unleashing would create jobs, jobs, jobs!



    Yep!



    The goal should not be to pay down the debt with these fines. The goal is to stop illegal aliens from taking jobs that should go to Americans. As for the doubling of taxes on outsourcing, I am against that as I want American firms to compete on the international market. Instead of punishing companies for moving, I would prefer to provide benefits for staying here.
    More conservative BS, If we want to see jobs come back to the USA we need to increase regulations against imports, raise import taxes to a point of where the American worker can compete against the stacked deck that now exists

    Back to the thread topic the rich use their tax cuts to steal from the middle class, the poor and needy by investing in thw wall street schemes like speculating


    H.R. 2003 will deter speculation by raising the cost to bet on oil markets. By charging a miniscule 0.01 percent tax on each transaction, excessive speculation would become too expensive and risky. Discouraging excessive oil speculation will lower gas prices up to 80 cents a gallon because it does not tax oil, just Wall Street speculators.
    DEFAZIO FIGHTS FOR LOWER GAS PRICES BY REINING IN SPECULATION
    Speculating on life essential needs should not just be regulated it should be made illegal, speculating is one way that the greedy rich steal from those who do not have the resources to get involved in the Wall Street ponzi schemes

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    More conservative BS, If we want to see jobs come back to the USA we need to increase regulations against imports, raise import taxes to a point of where the American worker can compete against the stacked deck that now exists
    So you want to increase the prices to American consumers and drive more companies to flee the U.S. Oh, okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Back to the thread topic the rich use their tax cuts to steal from the middle class, the poor and needy by investing in thw wall street schemes like speculating
    $3 trillion over 10 years of the Bush Tax cuts went to non-wealthy. $700 billion went to those earning over $250k per year. I say, let's rescind all of those taxes and then cut spending 10 to 1 for ever dollar of tax increases. Let's see $3.7 trillion times 10 = $37.0 trillion dollars over the next ten years, pluse the $3.7 in increased taxes = $40.7 trillion. Cool! Let's do it!

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Speculating on life essential needs should not just be regulated it should be made illegal, speculating is one way that the greedy rich steal from those who do not have the resources to get involved in the Wall Street ponzi schemes
    What do you consider speculating? Is investing in a 401k speculating? Is buying stock in Apple Computer speculating? Is buying a Treasury Bill speculating? Is locking in a price when you know the market is going to go up, speculating? Please let us know. Thanks.
    Last edited by LesGovt; 08-28-11 at 01:42 PM.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    So you want to increase the prices to American consumers and drive more companies to flee the U.S. Oh, okay.



    $3 trillion over 10 years of the Bush Tax cuts went to non-wealthy. $700 billion went to those earning over $250k per year. I say, let's rescind all of those taxes and then cut spending 10 to 1 for ever dollar of tax increases. Let's see $3.7 trillion times 10 = $37.0 trillion dollars over the next ten years, pluse the $3.7 in increased taxes = $40.7 trillion. Cool! Let's do it!



    What do you consider speculating? Is investing in a 401k speculating? Is buying stock in Apple Computer speculating? Is buying a Treasury Bill speculating? Is locking in a price when you know the market is going to go up, speculating? Please let us know. Thanks.
    economic reality doesn't matter much to the utopianistas . raise tariffs and people won't buy well made but cheaper goods. Of course other countries won't buy our stuff in retaliation



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I have said that I am against the bailouts. What is your point of continuing to discuss bailouts?



    At the risk of being repetitious, minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and exports will increase as more companies will be in U.S. and some of those companies who import into the U.S. will manufacture in the U.S. lowering our imports.



    You are being repetitious.



    I'm going to offer more repetition. Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and jobs will come flooding to the U.S.



    Guess what? Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and those at the top, middle, and bottom will all win.



    More repetition.



    Oh! Oh! Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and the American taxpayers will be paying more taxes due to higher rates of employment and higher incomes.



    Well, we tried upping government spending on "shovel-ready" work projects. How did that work?



    Employment increased after Reagan and Bush tax cuts.



    Depends on what companies you are talking about. Some of the foreign ones are going broke. Ford has stayed profitable even without a bailout.



    No. Ford makes a good product and Chrysler makes a garbage product.



    Super! We have an agreement.



    If we reform or end entitlements, it will impact all brackets. If we cut the military, it will impact all brackets as jobs will be lost. This is true of most cuts.



    Sorry, but sometimes your half sentences are not deciferable. Yes, Budweiser is now owned by foreign investors. If you don't like that one, how about our President having Chrysler join up with Fiat? You must love that one. Have U.S. investors bought up any foreign companies?



    Many companies are profitable today. If Sears is not, I might question their management.



    Your reality, I presume.



    Are you planning to end the entire First Amendment or just the Free Speech part?



    Yes, as that would bring foreign companies into the U.S.



    Property taxes are not Federal taxes. They are state taxes. If you want to do away with them, I would suggest you talk to your state govenment officials. As for ending interest on credit cards, I like the idea. It would end the credit card business, but that would not bother me.



    Let's see. First we need to unleash American businesses and to bring back our manufacturing base. Second, we need to get foreign companies to build in the U.S. That unleashing would create jobs, jobs, jobs!



    Yep!



    The goal should not be to pay down the debt with these fines. The goal is to stop illegal aliens from taking jobs that should go to Americans. As for the doubling of taxes on outsourcing, I am against that as I want American firms to compete on the international market. Instead of punishing companies for moving, I would prefer to provide benefits for staying here.
    McCain said he was against the government interfering with corporations , you say you are against bailouts.
    We both know who supports bailouts , the same ones that support tax cuts , we both know who started that.

    At the sound of being repitious the old minimize regulations and taxes was stated in 2000.
    Where is America today after following that logic?

    No, not repitition FACT, fom 2000 till 2008 numbers don't lie.1999 + 2008 BIG MINUS

    Unlike the rich the working class are willing to pay higher taxes if they have a fair income based on a job.
    The American people are not stupid you think the only state tax going up out here is on cigarttes what about property taxs rent, food.

    So let me get this straight the corporations depend on money from the American worker but they want the government to furnish the jobs, sounds like a backdoor bailout to me I thought you were aganst bailouts.

    Where is employment now?
    Both Reeagan and Bush talked about the same thing in the long term this will be good for America .
    Question; How much longer before the good gets to American workers?

    Ford is being outsold by Hyundia, no American Auto company has caught up with the Japanese sales in America since the 70's introduction of Honda, Toyato. check the sales numbers not the hype.

    I said real budget cuts.

    Jobs are already being lost everyday more jobs are being lost so whatever we're doing ain't working, except maybe for the rich.
    American corporations target American consumers no jobs no American consumers.

    When U.S investors start investing in foriegn products you'll know just check Wall Street.

    These many companies should be profitable using slave labor.
    I might question the management of any American coropration that outsources ove 30 % of their product to be built in anyplace but America.

    Reality is reality.

    Please, not the old constitution dodge, ever check a little thing called the Patriot act?
    If that's not enough, how about this ,
    If the government can tell me I have to be 50 ft. from the door of Walmart to smoke a cigarette or if te government can tell any volunteer that ask for charity for the salvation army at holidays can tell them they can't set up in the store.
    Then I would thinK that the federal government could put up a NO SOLICITORS ALLOWED SIGN

    American corporations have foriegn workers so foriegn companies would have American workers and we would wish the American corporations luck on selling their products to a new foriegn based consumer., after all a job is a JOB.
    American workers don't care who they work for as long as they get paid.

    Property taxes are not federal taxes they are state taxes?
    I thought we won the Civil war, after all that was for each state to be free, I mean this is the United States isn't it ?
    Keyword UNITED might want to look that up.

    That sounds vagualy familar from the old read my lips no new taxes , to if the rich corporations had more it would trickle down to the not rich, or was it America has a strong Economy, maybe it's the new trend I'M GOING TO GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND OUT OF YOUR LIVES.
    Sorry same song differant lyrics and the same bull****.

    American firms competeing where?
    Name an industry I'll tell you where it's made and not in America if Chinese products are made in China and American products are made in China who's cometeingwith who if China sells their product they get profit if they don't they still get money from the labor working for American corporations
    American corporations will get benifits when they provide jobs not before.
    Don't count on politicians to protect them with benefits in 2012 not if they like their jobs.
    The goal should be simple...JOBS.
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