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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I value my family's wealth more than people I have never met.


    I would not be willing to lose all my wealth to say save you. I take care of me and mine and if you pretend you wouldn't than you are not being honest.

    At least you are honest in your disregard for your fellow citizens. We obviously were raised different. I value my fellow citizens lives more than I do a 3% difference on all the money I make over $250,000.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is comforting to know that our nations judicial system rejects your values of placing property over human life.
    really?

    educate me on your expansive knowledge of the judicial system

    if someone breaks into my home I am legally allowed to terminate them with extreme prejudice


    and I still value my property more than I value your existence. If someone came to me and said turtle-would you give up your property so that haymarket would live I would say no and the government couldn't do a damn thing about that. that was the point I was making



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    At least you are honest in your disregard for your fellow citizens. We obviously were raised different. I value my fellow citizens lives more than I do a 3% difference on all the money I make over $250,000.
    its a false choice that the dishonest spew.



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I value my family's wealth more than people I have never met. I would not be willing to lose all my wealth to say save you. I take care of me and mine and if you pretend you wouldn't than you are not being honest.
    You are taking for granted that the order of the society you inhabit played no role in the accumulation or maintenance of your wealth and that, on account of that wealth, you don't have to perform special actions to preserve that society.

    In truth, due to your wealth, you have far more compelling motives to care about the community than, say, a homeless man would have.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You are taking for granted that the order of the society you inhabit played no role in the accumulation or maintenance of your wealth and that, on account of that wealth, you don't have to perform special actions to preserve that society. Because the continuing existence and value of your capital depends on that society.

    Due to your wealth, you have far more compelling motives to care about the community than, say, a homeless man would have.
    I reject that nonsense

    so does this guy

    The Inequity of the Progressive Income Tax | Hoover Institution

    Historically, the use of the benefits principle to advocate progression relied on the “protection theory” of benefits, which asserts that the government’s primary function is the protection of property. The theory focuses on income as property, and analogizes the protections of government to an insurance company that insures property against loss. Those who cite protection theory as an argument for progression assert that individuals with higher incomes should pay a disproportionately greater share of the cost of government than lower-income individuals because the higher-income group would have disproportionately more to lose if the protections of government were withdrawn. Implicit in this interpretation of the principle is not just that the value of benefits received from the government increases as income increases, but that it increases more rapidly than the rise in income. As we will see, the statement of the principle — payment of taxes in return for benefits — lends itself to widely varying interpretations.

    When examined carefully, the “protection theory” interpretation of the benefits principle falls short in five different ways.


    second interpretation of the benefits principle, and one that appears clearly to have more substance and more scholarly support, is that government benefits redound roughly equally to all people regardless of their income. More specifically, and as noted in the preceding paragraph, the value of benefits relating to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, including the protection of property, is essentially the same for all citizens. Thus, each person should share the costs of government equally, in which case the fairest tax would be per capita. This is essentially what Harry proposed to his brothers as the fairest way of dividing the costs of their street improvements.


    You can read the rest, it pretty well destroys that claim of yours



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really?

    educate me on your expansive knowledge of the judicial system

    if someone breaks into my home I am legally allowed to terminate them with extreme prejudice


    and I still value my property more than I value your existence. If someone came to me and said turtle-would you give up your property so that haymarket would live I would say no and the government couldn't do a damn thing about that. that was the point I was making
    Really now? Someone breaks into your home and no one is present. The carry off what you believe to be your original painting of the Mona Lisa down the street to a waiting van. You pull up in your car. Are you telling us you can now kill that person who is carrying the painting that you believe came from your home. Explain to all of us using your Yale education and law degree how you can then execute the person carrying that painting to his waiting van.

    You cannot and you know it without moving the goal posts, changing the facts and changing the rational for the use of the weapon. And you know that and you know that well or you don't know the law.

    Fortunately, we live in a nation where your values of property over life are not shared by those who write our laws.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Is this Aprils Fools day come late this year? A citation from a right wing think tank named after the Depression President using a parable about Tom, Dick and Harry. Thats priceless as the commercial says. A TV sitcom writer could not come up with anything more absurd than that right down to the various names involved.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really now? Someone breaks into your home and no one is present. The carry off what you believe to be your original painting of the Mona Lisa down the street to a waiting van. You pull up in your car. Are you telling us you can now kill that person who is carrying the painting that you believe came from your home. Explain to all of us using your Yale education and law degree how you can then execute the person carrying that painting to his waiting van.

    You cannot and you know it without moving the goal posts, changing the facts and changing the rational for the use of the weapon. And you know that and you know that well or you don't know the law.

    Fortunately, we live in a nation where your values of property over life are not shared by those who write our laws.
    your analogy is stupid I said I value my property more than I value your life. that is not the same as saying killing over pure property is right. You did not accurately read my posts (big surprise)

    I should have no duty to sacrifice my property to help you. and you should not have to do that for me either



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is this Aprils Fools day come late this year? A citation from a right wing think tank named after the Depression President using a parable about Tom, Dick and Harry. Thats priceless as the commercial says. A TV sitcom writer could not come up with anything more absurd than that right down to the various names involved.
    It was started by Hoover before he became president. Of course you reject it--it rejects that crap you have been spewing in an effort to sell us welfare socialism

    you obviously did not read most of the article



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your analogy is stupid I said I value my property more than I value your life. that is not the same as saying killing over pure property is right. You did not accurately read my posts (big surprise)

    I should have no duty to sacrifice my property to help you. and you should not have to do that for me either
    Stupid? Why are you calling my work stupid? It that suppose to be a direct insult and attack on me?

    I was showing you an example WHICH YOU STARTED FOR US ---


    if someone breaks into my home I am legally allowed to terminate them with extreme prejudice


    I took just what you said and showed you that you cannot do what you claim you can do in defense of your property.


    It seems I know the law a bit better than you think I do and likewise you do not know it as well as you would have this board believe you do.

    I read your posts Turtle. That is what makes this so easy. You create opportunities large enough to drive a Mack truck through just as you did here.

    I must awake at 5:30 to do battle with real life monsters in the state capital so I leave it to you to find some law to support your theory which has just been thoroughly debunked. Good night.
    Last edited by haymarket; 08-23-11 at 11:57 PM.
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