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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have a great idea--we libertarians and conservatives pay for the government programs we support and you libs pay for the crap you want.

    whose taxes do you think are gonna go down?
    We had an entire thread in Economics where we looked at your retail shopping model of taxation - where you only pay for what you want to use - and it was sliced and diced, smashed and trashed, and thoroughly destroyed every inch of the way. Even you yourself admitted it did not work. Are you back to that now?

    Here it is again for the benefit of both yourself and all others interested in that idea you floated repeatedly in post after post and in thread after thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...ing-model.html
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have a great idea--we libertarians and conservatives pay for the government programs we support and you libs pay for the crap you want.

    whose taxes do you think are gonna go down?

    Sort of like two different countries, eh? Rick "secession" Perry is your man! Who knows, you might even be able to convince him to support your stated position that money is more valuable than some people!
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more stupidity in that post. You assume tax cuts for the rich sacrifice the economy when the tax cuts for other people does not?

    what i know is that rich haters like you pretend that the rich are responsible for the problems this country faces when in reality, the rich cannot outvote the masses and thus politicians cater to the most votes
    Turtle sense you seem to know why dont you tell us...


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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who knows, you might even be able to convince him to support your stated position that money is more valuable than some people!
    And yet here you are, on a computer, paying for electricity to power the computer, eating and drinking, and there are people starving in Somalia. Clearly you are valuing your money more than you value their lives.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And yet here you are, on a computer, paying for electricity to power the computer, eating and drinking, and there are people starving in Somalia. Clearly you are valuing your money more than you value their lives.
    No, but there is nothing we can do about Somalia. We could try and establish some sort of government there to provide for the people, but our track record of that isn't very good. We could give money or food, but let's face facts, the varous warlords end up with most of the aid sent in. We can, however, help the people in this country.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And yet here you are, on a computer, paying for electricity to power the computer, eating and drinking, and there are people starving in Somalia. Clearly you are valuing your money more than you value their lives.
    When have I ever stated that I oppose my tax dollars being used to help people, as the Turtledude has over and over again??? Feel free to quote me, if you can!
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When have I ever stated that I oppose my tax dollars being used to help people, as the Turtledude has over and over again??? Feel free to quote me, if you can!
    Don't move the goal posts to hide your hypocrisy. You didn't say anything about taxes. You said "that money is more valuable than some people!" You have money, you're spending money to buy entertainment. People in Africa are dying and they wouldn't be if you sent them all of your money. You're not sending them all of your money. Ergo, you find that your money is more valuable than some people. Own up to it. The case is crystal clear. You can't talk your way out of the standards that you yourself set down.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And yet here you are, on a computer, paying for electricity to power the computer, eating and drinking, and there are people starving in Somalia. Clearly you are valuing your money more than you value their lives.
    I don't know about Catawba, but in a world where some people are limited in their abilities to reach others that are in need, sometimes, a little grass movement never hurts. Simply bouncing ideas around, working through problems, hearing the different sides on issues all helps people to become informed and make better decisions. Debating is actually productive, unless of course one does not take it seriously. I also do not oppose my tax dollars going to the betterment of others.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Don't move the goal posts to hide your hypocrisy. You didn't say anything about taxes. You said "that money is more valuable than some people!" You have money, you're spending money to buy entertainment. People in Africa are dying and they wouldn't be if you sent them all of your money. You're not sending them all of your money. Ergo, you find that your money is more valuable than some people. Own up to it. The case is crystal clear. You can't talk your way out of the standards that you yourself set down.
    While it is true that some people could be doing more .. it is mighty presumptuous of you to assume that people aren't making efforts to make things better.

    Secondly, simply because a messenger fails in being perfect and following that an ethical imperative to the letter, does not make that imperative any less true.

    Dodging out of arguments in that manner is not becoming.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    While it is true that some people could be doing more .. it is mighty presumptuous of you to assume that people aren't making efforts to make things better.
    I take Catawba at his word. He chastises people who believe that "money is more valuable than some people!" If he is chastising people for holding this common position then, like Caesar's wife, he should be beyond reproach. If he has any money that he spends beyond that required to keep himself alive, then he too is valuing money, and the things it buys him, over other people's lives.

    I'm not holding him to a standard that I seek to impose on him, he's seeking to shame people for holding that standard.

    Secondly, simply because a messenger fails in being perfect and following that an ethical imperative to the letter, does not make that imperative any less true.
    An "ethical imperative" which is ignored by almost all people isn't really worth tossing out as a method of shaming people who don't adhere to it. He doesn't adhere to it so why is he trying to use a sanctimonious charge to shut up others?

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