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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually you are wrong again

    the rich pay the highest rates of taxes on the various types of income. They pay more actual dollars too. You whine that the uber rich pay less of a total federal tax rate because most of their income comes from capital gains. Yet that is the uber rich-maybe the top 400 to a couple thousand. the majority of "the rich" those making between 350K to 5 million pay the highest effective rate of income tax

    And anyone paying top rates has a right to complain--indeed if you pay a higher rate than another group you have a right to complain because you are paying more for citizenship benefits than many others and you GET ABSOLUTELY NO ADDITIONAL BENEFITS FOR PAYING MORE
    We've already establish that the wealthy get more services

    And I think it is a hopeless cause for you to even understand the principle behind progressive taxation as I have not yet seen anything you have said that even hints that you have an understanding of its principle. I am not completely sure, but as a lawyer, aren't you supposed to be able to understand your opponents position in order to make credible arguments against it?

    I'll try explaining it one more time ...

    Let me begin by asking you some questions ...

    Do you believe taxes are necessary? Why or why not?

    If the majority of society agrees taxes are necessary, do you believe it is ethically sound to tax a citizen who does not have enough money to pay the most humble of living expenses, i.e. clothing, food and shelter? Why or why not?

    Do you think that equal opportunity is ethical? Why or why not?

    Once you have answered these questions, I may have some idea s to whether or not you will be able to understand the concept of progressive taxation and I can continue explaining it to you.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Glad you enjoyed it, but you have not shown me to be wrong. Thanks for trying though!
    I hope one day that you will realize that lying is not a virtue. You previously said that I was wrong in what I had said, but you either did not read what I had said or you did not understand the meaning of the work, "aggregate." Either way, you were wrong.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    We've already establish that the wealthy get more services

    And I think it is a hopeless cause for you to even understand the principle behind progressive taxation as I have not yet seen anything you have said that even hints that you have an understanding of its principle. I am not completely sure, but as a lawyer, aren't you supposed to be able to understand your opponents position in order to make credible arguments against it?

    I'll try explaining it one more time ...

    Let me begin by asking you some questions ...

    Do you believe taxes are necessary? Why or why not?

    If the majority of society agrees taxes are necessary, do you believe it is ethically sound to tax a citizen who does not have enough money to pay the most humble of living expenses, i.e. clothing, food and shelter? Why or why not?

    Do you think that equal opportunity is ethical? Why or why not?

    Once you have answered these questions, I may have some idea s to whether or not you will be able to understand the concept of progressive taxation and I can continue explaining it to you.
    No you haven't

    you have not proven that the average poor person uses less than the average rich person. But we do know something. The poor and middle class sure use more resources than the top few percent but guess what--that huge number pays less taxes than the top few percent.

    Yes taxes are necessary. They should not be used to make "society fair"

    define equal opportunity. How do you make things equal for stupid or untalented people? You cannot

    You aren't in a position to explain anything to me since you constantly post falsehoods.

    and if someone cannot pay taxes why should they have a right to demand others pay even more?

    I reject the concept of progressive income taxes when they are coupled with an equal citizenship right



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    what percentage of the top one percent do you think are republicans?



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I hope one day that you will realize that lying is not a virtue. You previously said that I was wrong in what I had said, but you either did not read what I had said or you did not understand the meaning of the work, "aggregate." Either way, you were wrong.
    when someone claims the top one percent are not paying their fair share of the income taxes you pretty much know they are not correct



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I reject the concept of progressive income taxes when they are coupled with an equal citizenship right
    What you are advocating most likely will never happen here in the USA. But there just might be a place for you and your fellow uber John Galts:

    Milton Friedman's Grandson to Build Floating Libertarian Nation



    Yesterday there was a story floating around, from Details of all places, about how Peter Thiel, founder of PayPal, has donated $1.25 million to the Seasteading Institute. It's an organization led by a former Google engineer named Patri Friedman, son of economist and sci-fi writer David Friedman... and grandson of late University of Chicago economic poobah Milton Friedman:
    Milton Friedman's Grandson to Build Floating Libertarian Nation - The 312 - August 2011 - Chicago


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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what percentage of the top one percent do you think are republicans?
    The percent whose incomes do not depend on the salaries of Americans. At least in terms of investment of contributions.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    greed is imposing costs on other people who are not responsible for your condition
    Just to be fair, what if the CEO of a company decides to cut 3,000 US jobs (including yours) and ship to China, simply because it will make the investors happy and he/she will make more money. Wouldn't that CEO at least be partially responsible for that person's condition if they were to temporarily fall into poverty as a result of the job loss?

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what percentage of the top one percent do you think are republicans?
    Don't know, don't care about your strawman. What I do know is that is the the GOP that is willing to sacrifice the economy to protect the tax cuts for the top 1%.
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