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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

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    I believe that such thinking should be eradicated. People are not slaves of the state and enslavers ought to be treated as criminals or enemies.

    I never said I was, but I am more valuable to the market I know that sucks to you but it is true.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Lawyers are a dime a dozen, your personal value is all in your head
    sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.
    I am not upset at all, you believe that money measures a persons value, I believe that every person has a value that can't be measured by a bank account, I need the people that pick up my garbage much more then I need you, I need a plumber much more then I need you, I need a electrician much more then I need you, I need teachers and fire fighters and police much more then I need you, I need the young men and women of our armed forces much more then I need you. You are very low on my need list, hopefully I never need you

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I am not upset at all, you believe that money measures a persons value, I believe that every person has a value that can't be measured by a bank account, I need the people that pick up my garbage much more then I need you, I need a plumber much more then I need you, I need a electrician much more then I need you, I need teachers and fire fighters and police much more then I need you, I need the young men and women of our armed forces much more then I need you. You are very low on my need list, hopefully I never need you
    what is funny is that you have spent several posts whining about the rich having too much money and wanting to impose higher taxes and involuntary servitude on others and then you come back with this rot



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is funny is that you have spent several posts whining about the rich having too much money and wanting to impose higher taxes and involuntary servitude on others and then you come back with this rot
    How are the comments from Earl merited with the pejorative of "ROT" by you? They seem very clear, rational and well written

    I am not upset at all, you believe that money measures a persons value, I believe that every person has a value that can't be measured by a bank account, I need the people that pick up my garbage much more then I need you, I need a plumber much more then I need you, I need a electrician much more then I need you, I need teachers and fire fighters and police much more then I need you, I need the young men and women of our armed forces much more then I need you. You are very low on my need list, hopefully I never need you
    He very clearly and calmly explains the significance of some valuable people in his life and the meaninglessness and insignificance of others which contribute nothing to his life. Of course, that would be important to him and his formation of his ideas on public policy. Don't you see that?
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sadly for you, good ones make more in a month than you make in a year. No wonder you are upset.
    Funny, I thought this thread was closed.... anyway...

    Not just the good ones, more often the immoral ones.

    Celebrities make more than most lawyers, yet are completely useless.

    I have seen nothing from you or your debating style that indicates you are a lawyer. All of your posts are emo-reactionary with zero support for your arguments, no links, no citations, no quotes, nothing. The one thing you have established is that you are not a Christian nor are you a Patriot (and yes, the two are mutually exclusive).

    On to the topic, for as much as you'd like the topic to be you... it's not.

    Throughout history, without exception, tyranny has come at the hands of those who "corner the market" on societal wealth. Whether in private hands, or the hands of self appointed rulers. It is this historically constant FACT that made the founding of America, it's founding voices of liberty, and the documents (governmental and personal writings) such a big big big deal. There are two other historical constant FACTS... when societal wealth is highly concentrated into the hands of a few, 1) societal suffering ensues without fail 2) civil unrest is a time bomb that often explodes ending with the death of those who looked down upon the masses as stupid, slothful, fodder, commodities and stole their time of life to enrich themselves.

    Marginal Tax Rate...............Tax Brackets
    10.0%............................. $0 $11,950
    Every dollar in this bracket is needed to provide food, housing and transportation. It's required to LIVE... Life! When people cannot (though hard working) make enough to meet those needs, the result is often crime, small crimes meant to get what they need to wake up the next day. You get to keep the same 90% they do. Taxing them at 70% would be disastrous to society and no personal property would be safe. It costs far more than $12k to house someone in prison, not to mention the overburden on the justice system. This would be TYRANNICAL.

    15.0% ............................. $11,950 $45,550
    This bracket is where the American Dream begins. You have enough to meet your personal needs and can also begin to support a family. They can lift themselves out of the hovels and ghettos and provide a safer existence, start a family and at the top of the bracket, maybe even save a little, if they are still single. You get to keep the same 85% they do. Taxing them at 70% would not only kill the American Dream, but would push them into the take home bracket above, and all it's consequences.

    And so on...

    35.0%............................. $373,650 and up
    At this level, or your living expenses (barring major medical) are met, nice house in a safe neighborhood, good schools so your kids aren't "stupid" (no guarantees), and might be able to afford to send one kid to a top school. The bottom of this tax bracket is now the mid level of middle class. My proposed 35% bracket includes all of the middle class ($550k-$750k) and would provide for all the wants and needs of an average family without depriving them of anything, including a better life for their children.

    The proposed 70% bracket is for those making $20m to $40m. Now, some of you may be confused and think that all their income is taxed at this rate. No, you are taxed at the same rate at every level as everyone else. Unlike taxing the working poor at 70%, it does not deprive anyone of life, liberty or happiness. It doesn't take food off the table, limit mobility/travel, put opportunities for education and family out of reach, etc.

    According to "God", the bible and the Holy Roman Catholic Church, what you earn (and keep) beyond meeting this upper middle class metric is avarice. The more you hoard, the deeper the avarice, and the more likely you'll damn your soul. I'm not religious, but so many crow about this being a Christian nation, it's worth repeating... again, and again, and again.

    The Founders knew that the root of all evil (subjugation of the masses) is the "love of money". For it is this love that usurps, corrupts and subverts the morality of most men and leads to the amoral view that those less than affluent are less than human, as second class citizens. This is a historical fact and a constant of human nature, to which much of the most successful literature in history addresses.

    They also knew that all real wealth is created through LABOR. Labor is the result of a sacrifice of time of life and energy that comes from health and nutrition, which in turn comes from the purchase of food, shelter. A moral person, religious or otherwise would realize two things. 1) compensating someone less than it takes to live for their creation of wealth through production is immoral when productivity and profits are up and director shares of the wealth created increase 400%, 40 times and worker wages fall below costs of living.

    The liberation of Americans and the significance to world history was not just about tyrant kings, but about tyranny in all it's forms.

    That you classify those who make less than you as slothful (blind to your own avarice), cannon fodder and parasites is clear evidence of your wish for tyranny, and to be a part of it.

    The fight to be free of tyranny did not end with the bill of rights... it merely armed us for the perpetuity of vigilance and battles against the age old evils derived from tyranny of the likes of you.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The majority of the country are neither winners nor losers. The gop wins when that group thinks winning is a good thing, worth pursuing. Dems win when they convince the majority that the game is rigged and its better to let the government take care of them than to expend effort in a losing cause
    Wrong, the only time Republicans win is if all the people don't vote.

    Remember America is still a democracy... well I think so after Florida 2000 WELL?
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? how do you propose that is going to happen? tax the rich more so the middle class becomes even more indolent and slothful
    You know it hasn't been that long ago when you said "only the poor was indolent and slothful, then it was the poor working class that was slothful, now you're saying the middle class is indolent and slothful?

    That would make a good quote on the campaign trail I can see it now.

    REPUBLICAN'S SAY MIDDLE CLASS IS INDOLENT AND SLOTHFUL.

    Why don't you make a blog of that or paste it on facebook or maybe challenge the parties running against Republicans with that statement.lol
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are a fascist as well as a wealth confiscator? I think anyone who wants to create involuntary servitude ought to be treated as a dictator and dealt with accordingly. and you need to pay the top rates if you want others to pay them.

    If you cannot afford a 70% tax on your next dollar than you have no right to demand others pay that
    You are absolutly right he has no right to demand others pay that .
    The IRS however does and will.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why not send those too stupid to make it to college/ save the smart people for jobs that require intelligence and use the dullards for cannon fodder
    Would that include the many CEOS than ran their company in the ground went to the government for bailouts or did they get a bonus for being stupid dullards?
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