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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you see the 85% of the country's wealth being owned by the super rich has helped the economy?
    That isn't the issue. I believe in freedom and I oppose the schemes people like you want to change things

    such as more government, more taxation

    I also believe (and you cannot disprove) that we have made sloth and reliance on government too common and that is why so many people are no longer ambitious



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    fact-the rich have x amount of money

    Opinion-that is bad
    Wrong, how much money they have is irrelevant, or would be if we were a moral culture. It's not individual numbers, it's the FACT THAT 85% of the wealth no longer serves the public or the day to day commerce that is produced from the land and people of this country.

    The Christians hold this "opinion" as a condition for entering heaven... or hell. The founders, after their experience with East India Trading and several other "corporate" governance of various colonies, not only knew it in their time and put strong restrictions on them, they knew it as a common sense lesson of history and men's weakness. At this point it ceases to be opinion, but carries with it the full weight of history and the tyranny that has followed it, in all it's forms, governmental as well as privately held wealth and power.

    the fact does not make the opinion more persuasive or "correct"
    Nor does it change the FACT that throughout history, when wealth and power, public or private is largely concentrated in the hands of a few, abuses to liberty and life follow. Every single time! It is THE rule, not the exception. The first free people on the face of the planet in 13k years is the exception.

    It also doesn't change the fact that the Founders made clear warnings and did all they could in the spirit of compromise to but as tight and thick a chain as possible around corporations and banks.

    So... now it's your turn (which I'm sure you'll piss away dodging and throwing more idiot "it's not that way because I say so, very lawyerly arguments at us) to show, when in the history of civilization, the top one percent owning 5/6ths of the wealth led to anything but subjugation of the masses, endless wars and the pillaging of far off lands?

    fact-there are 6 tax brackets

    Opinion-we need more tax brackets
    So... you think that someone earning $374k should be in the same tax bracket as someone making $40 million?

    FACT, this government is of the People, by the People, FOR the People... all of us. The people fell asleep while our elected public servants spent and mortgaged our future for the benefit of a wealthy elite... and our newest citizen super class, the corporation. FACT, over the last 30 years, we have seen the wages of the middle class fall, their taxes increase and cost of living soar. People making $100k-300k are just barely middle class these days, taxing them in the same bracket as those earning millions, the wealthy, the upper class... flies in the face of a progressive tax at all. Why stratify only the lower classes and allow the wealthy to be taxed at middle class rates?

    There is only one reason... to play politics and broaden support for tax cuts to the wealthy by pushing the middle class into the wrong bracket. There should be less stratification at the bottom, fewer brackets, and many more at the top. Period. I don't really care what percentages you apply to them...

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    More opinions masquerading as faux factual assertions


    I have no duty to pay the load of other people. You can say its better for me to do so but that is an OPINION. flies in the face of progressive income taxes? OF COURSE IT DOES, I WANT TO ABOLISH PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXES because such taxes encourages those who aren't paying their share to demand more and more and more spending paid for by the top payers



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More opinions masquerading as faux factual assertions

    In psychology this is what is commonly known as projection.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? You have any proof of that claim? you can speak for CEO's?
    Do you have proof of the many that are deluded into thinking more and more handouts are good for them . or are the many just asking for jobs to work live pay taxes and ,make a living

    You have any proof of that claim? Can you speak for the many unemployed?

    ]And please you give me statistics I'll give you statistics.

    You keep forgeting who the majority in this country is.

    Hint, it is not rich CEO'S or wanta be lawyers.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More opinions masquerading as faux factual assertions


    I have no duty to pay the load of other people. You can say its better for me to do so but that is an OPINION. flies in the face of progressive income taxes? OF COURSE IT DOES, I WANT TO ABOLISH PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXES because such taxes encourages those who aren't paying their share to demand more and more and more spending paid for by the top payers
    20% of the people control 93% of the nations wealth and still you whine and cry, how much do you want? What price are you willing to pay to get it? How did 20% of the people accumulate 93% of this nations wealth?

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Do you have proof of the many that are deluded into thinking more and more handouts are good for them . or are the many just asking for jobs to work live pay taxes and ,make a living

    You have any proof of that claim? Can you speak for the many unemployed?

    ]And please you give me statistics I'll give you statistics.

    You keep forgeting who the majority in this country is.

    Hint, it is not rich CEO'S or wanta be lawyers.
    The majority of the country are neither winners nor losers. The gop wins when that group thinks winning is a good thing, worth pursuing. Dems win when they convince the majority that the game is rigged and its better to let the government take care of them than to expend effort in a losing cause



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    20% of the people control 93% of the nations wealth and still you whine and cry, how much do you want? What price are you willing to pay to get it? How did 20% of the people accumulate 93% of this nations wealth?
    Its you that is whining. I want winners to keep what they make and encourage the others to try to be winners. Its not the proper purpose of government to redistribute wealth

    How did 20% accumulate so much? the same way Federer and Nadal and Djokavic have won more majors in the last 6 year than the rest of the world combined. They are better at the game



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The majority of the country are neither winners nor losers. The gop wins when that group thinks winning is a good thing, worth pursuing. Dems win when they convince the majority that the game is rigged and its better to let the government take care of them than to expend effort in a losing cause
    The Dems will win because it is so obvious that the game has been rigged, the transfer of wealth went where, to the middle class to the poor? Wall street tanked and still the rich got richer, they did not jump out of tenth floor windows, why? Repubs resist any effort to create or protect the jobs of Americans, why?

    You and your conservative buddies are about to get a real wake up call in 2012

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    The Dems will win because it is so obvious that the game has been rigged, the transfer of wealth went where, to the middle class to the poor? Wall street tanked and still the rich got richer, they did not jump out of tenth floor windows, why? Repubs resist any effort to create or protect the jobs of Americans, why?

    You and your conservative buddies are about to get a real wake up call in 2012
    whining about why you constantly lose is rather trite.



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