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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    I see that you failed to address the point - that the responsibility to 'contribute' to the society that provides you the benefits you gain from living here exists regardless of how hard it might be to contribute. Not a surprise.

    And, how many people qualifty as "rich" and then pay $0 in federal income taxes? I didn't see your response.
    "According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,
    The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired."
    It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes

    "According to a recently released IRS report, almost 1,500 of America's 230,000 millionaires avoided paying any federal income tax in 2009."
    Almost 1,500 Millionaires Do Not Pay Income Tax - ABC News
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    I'm sorry -- I didnt see where you'd go ask The Obama about extending GWB's tax cuts for the rich - the ones He campaigned against.
    But then, I understand that you are compelled to defend your Secular Messiah at all costs, and so will do everything you can to ignore this fact.
    Please, continue.



    The unfunded -increase- in entitlement spending FY2009 alone exceeds the total current cost of the war in Iraq - but its the WAR that causes the deficits.

    How nice of you to change the subject. None of that changes the truth of what I posted - an almost unanimous Republican majority voted for both extending the Bush Tax cuts and the Iraq war while the majority of Democrats voted against both.

    As far as entitlements go. SS has not contributed one dime to our debt. Medicare has the same problem private health insurance does. That won't be addressed until we upgrade our health care system as all the other industrialized countries have done.
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

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    Medicare has the same problem private health insurance does. That won't be addressed until we upgrade our health care system as all the other industrialized countries have done.
    France: The system is imploding, just like ours.

    But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France, the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

    In recent months, France imposed American-style "co-pays" on patients to try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to crack down on expenses. "A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to provide good-quality treatment," President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a recent speech to doctors.

    And service cuts -- such as the closure of a maternity ward near Ms. Cuccarolo's home -- are prompting complaints from patients, doctors and nurses that care is being rationed. That concern echos worries among some Americans that the U.S. changes could lead to rationing.

    The French system's fragile solvency shows how tough it is to provide universal coverage while controlling costs, the professed twin goals of President Barack Obama's proposed overhaul.

    All the European systems are imploding for the same structural reasons. Aging populations. Here is a report on the Europe-wide phenomenon. In fact there problems are worse that ours in that their populations have a higher ratio of elderly people than the US, and the elderly are the biggest cause of health care inflation.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    France: The system is imploding, just like ours.

    But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France, the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

    In recent months, France imposed American-style "co-pays" on patients to try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to crack down on expenses. "A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to provide good-quality treatment," President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a recent speech to doctors.

    And service cuts -- such as the closure of a maternity ward near Ms. Cuccarolo's home -- are prompting complaints from patients, doctors and nurses that care is being rationed. That concern echos worries among some Americans that the U.S. changes could lead to rationing.

    The French system's fragile solvency shows how tough it is to provide universal coverage while controlling costs, the professed twin goals of President Barack Obama's proposed overhaul.

    All the European systems are imploding for the same structural reasons. Aging populations. Here is a report on the Europe-wide phenomenon. In fact there problems are worse that ours in that their populations have a higher ratio of elderly people than the US, and the elderly are the biggest cause of health care inflation.
    Why Canadian health care is better

    "It was a uniquely American way to raise colon cancer awareness while striking a chord with people who never see a doctor because they can’t afford it. This past August in Los Angeles, more than 6,000 of them lined up for hours and camped out in their cars to attend a temporary free health clinic. In the world’s richest country, some
    46 million people have no insurance to cover what every Canadian has taken for granted since the birth of medicare in 1967.
    The luckiest Americans have employer-sponsored plans—at least while they keep their jobs. The rest can buy insurance, if they have the money. (My friend Elaine, a self-employed Canadian now living in Arizona, had to shop around: Her pretty basic plan costs about US$8,000 for her family of four.) What’s more, even the insured are one health crisis away from financial ruin because their insurer either doesn’t cover all the costs or—unbelievably to us Canadians—cancels their coverage."

    Why Canadian health care is better | Health | Get Healthy | Best Health
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    US healthcare is better for those of us who actually pay for healthcare. On Tuesday a few weeks ago, my doctor ordered an MRI on my knee. I could have had one that afternoon. A professional coach who represented Canada in 5 world championships coaches at my club. He noted that even when he was a world class athlete he could not get an MRI that quickly in Canada and "average" people had to wait much longer

    I prefer a system where those of us who not only pay our own health care insurance but pick up the tab for many others don't have to wait 6 weeks or 6 months for an MRI or a colonoscopy or a CAT scan over one where everyone has to wait equally long whether you are paying your own way or you are dependent on others



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    US healthcare is better for those of us who actually pay for healthcare. On Tuesday a few weeks ago, my doctor ordered an MRI on my knee. I could have had one that afternoon. A professional coach who represented Canada in 5 world championships coaches at my club. He noted that even when he was a world class athlete he could not get an MRI that quickly in Canada and "average" people had to wait much longer

    I prefer a system where those of us who not only pay our own health care insurance but pick up the tab for many others don't have to wait 6 weeks or 6 months for an MRI or a colonoscopy or a CAT scan over one where everyone has to wait equally long whether you are paying your own way or you are dependent on others
    I'm going on memory for this claim but I can back it up if I get challenged on it. For the US and Canada to equalize their MRI facilities to the same PER CAPITA level would require the US to rid itself of about 85% of its MRI machines.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    US healthcare is better for those of us who actually pay for healthcare. On Tuesday a few weeks ago, my doctor ordered an MRI on my knee. I could have had one that afternoon. A professional coach who represented Canada in 5 world championships coaches at my club. He noted that even when he was a world class athlete he could not get an MRI that quickly in Canada and "average" people had to wait much longer

    I prefer a system where those of us who not only pay our own health care insurance but pick up the tab for many others don't have to wait 6 weeks or 6 months for an MRI or a colonoscopy or a CAT scan over one where everyone has to wait equally long whether you are paying your own way or you are dependent on others
    I'm sorry, I'd much rather you have to wait a little longer, so we can make sure everyone gets covered. 30,000 people die every year in this country because they can't afford healthcare. 1 in 4 Americans who have insurance still don't get the care they need. Secondly, I'm sure the 6 month wait are either an exaggeration on your part or cheery picking.

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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    US healthcare is better for those of us who actually pay for healthcare.
    Correction: US healthcare is better for those of us who can actually afford healthcare.

    U.S. Health Care: World's Most Expensive

    "As in years past, the United States made a poor showing in the 2010 Commonwealth Fund report, earning last place (out of seven surveyed nations) based on the results of surveys taken between 2007 and 2009."
    US health care and other industrialized nations: The 2010 Commonwealth Fund report - University of Phoenix
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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm going on memory for this claim but I can back it up if I get challenged on it. For the US and Canada to equalize their MRI facilities to the same PER CAPITA level would require the US to rid itself of about 85% of its MRI machines.
    I was a teaching pro in upstate NY for 3 years. I know damn well that Canadian athletes were coming down to NY for tests that I got routinely for everything from a sprained ankle to double pneumonia. there are three MRI centers within 15 minutes of my house and I live 30 miles from downtown cincinnati



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    Re: What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Correction: US healthcare is better for those of us who can actually afford healthcare.

    U.S. Health Care: World's Most Expensive

    "As in years past, the United States made a poor showing in the 2010 Commonwealth Fund report, earning last place (out of seven surveyed nations) based on the results of surveys taken between 2007 and 2009."
    US health care and other industrialized nations: The 2010 Commonwealth Fund report - University of Phoenix
    yeah so why would I want canadian style healthcare?



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