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Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

Embargo?

  • End Embargo

    Votes: 53 84.1%
  • Keep Embargo

    Votes: 10 15.9%

  • Total voters
    63
I agree with him that talking with you is rather a waste of time.

yet you claim nobody would trade with them, so the embargo must go on.

lack of logic is strong with that position
 
I don't ask for people to read my posts. If you really think I'm a troll, put me on ignore.

the quote serves a purpose, when you quote someone and change their words, you amount to a troll.
 
the quote serves a purpose, when you quote someone and change their words, you amount to a troll.

I have been willing to debate with you on multiple accounts. If it's too much ignoring my base posts and relying on diversion tactics (which is trolling), then put me on ignore.
 
You are forgetting the point for a second strike capibility, which was our upper hand back in 1962.

No I'm not. I'm well aware of mutually assured destruction, and so were the Soviets. To them, it was secondary to defending Communism. Remember that these men had survived the most brutal theater of WWII, the bloodiest conflict in history that destroyed almost every major city in their country. They were never going to allow another affront to their sovereignty, no matter what the cost. MAD works when all hands on the button are completely rational, unfortunately, not everyone was.
 
No I'm not. I'm well aware of mutually assured destruction, and so were the Soviets. To them, it was secondary to defending Communism. Remember that these men had survived the most brutal theater of WWII, the bloodiest conflict in history that destroyed almost every major city in their country. They were never going to allow another affront to their sovereignty, no matter what the cost. MAD works when all hands on the button are completely rational, unfortunately, not everyone was.

Communists prefer to let the Capitalists fight out against each other. The reason they do this is because they know that if they get confronted by the capitalist countries altogether, their survival would be threatened. This is how Stalin played us off against the Fascists for the first two years of the war.
 
And who would you employ? What products would you sell there? No way in hell Cuba imports American goods. The ONLY thing lifting the embargo would do would be to release travel restrictions. People wouldnt have to fly through Canada to get to Cuba. Enhance the wealthy tourism areas and government bank accounts but would do nothing for the typical Cubanos.

Like I said...you talk about this as if you have actually given thought to it beyond...yeah...we should lift the embargo...cuz...thats wrong...but you havent.

The airline industry and cruise industries will benefit. So will anyone who imports and sells cuban goods here in the US
 
Why have we been denying ourselves Cuban cigars all of these years??? For politics? Craziness.
 
Why have we been denying ourselves Cuban cigars all of these years??? For politics? Craziness.

I find the Cuban Cigar reputation to be a total farce which the embargo continues to help perpetuate.
 
Communists prefer to let the Capitalists fight out against each other. The reason they do this is because they know that if they get confronted by the capitalist countries altogether, their survival would be threatened. This is how Stalin played us off against the Fascists for the first two years of the war.

We did the same thing with China and the USSR, does that mean we didn't spill blood to roll back communism in Korea and Vietnam? The Soviets bloodily protected Communism in Czechoslovakia and Hungary. You are missing the point entirely. The Kremlin knew that a nuclear war would have blasted them to hell, but after the experiences of WWII, they weren't giving an inch of ground. It's called brinkmanship
 
The airline industry and cruise industries will benefit. So will anyone who imports and sells cuban goods here in the US

Nope...the airline industry would suffer. People would stop flying through Canada to get to Cuba.

Seriously...THATS the benefit? Like I said...you didnt give that whole bobblehead "uhuh...end Cuban embargo NOW" thing ANY thought...
 
Cuba is going to be drawn into the fold by virtue of the current global order, and its need to avoid further slipping into desolation. We can at least say that Cuba has lasted all this time, with limited means. I think what the U.S. really is seeking from Cuba is acknowledgement that its political way of life has been unsuccessful; doing so puts one more nail in the coffin of communism. People sit around saying that Cuba is in dire poverty, it's failing, etc... but as long as Cuba doesn't own up to that, it will just look like we are capitulating to them by lifting any embargo.

I reluctantly agree that Fidel must be out of the picture before we can really look forward. His legacy there is powerful and long-lasted.

We are already doing limited trades with Cuba and the kinds of goods allowed seem to increase incrementally each year. IMO this is wise trade policy. As people in Cuba gradually receive goods, they will want more, and this will increase political pressure for internal change; and because it's so gradual, it doesn't look invasive on our part.
 
We got into the Cuban Missile Crisis because of our attempts to take out Castro. If the goal is to take him out, lifting the embargo would be far more successful.

Disagreed. We got into the Cuban Missile Crisis for several reasons; the primary one being our Cold War with the Soviet Union. The fact we didn't recognize Castro after he took over from Batista turned Castro to the USSR. It was more complicated than that, but that's the jist of it.

As for lifting the embargo, I'm for it. If our second largest trade partner and primary bank is the People's Republic of China, it seems stupid to have an embargo on a two-bit nation. The embargo is more about appeasing anti-Castroites in Miami than political ideology.
 
Lift it. If the point was to drive Castro out of power, I think it's pretty clear after half a century that it's a strategy that didn't work.

I'm not a fan of Castro, and I like the idea of getting him out of power. I just think that the embargo failed in that goal.
 
I find the Cuban Cigar reputation to be a total farce which the embargo continues to help perpetuate.

This is true. We can legally buy many handmade cigars from South America that are grown with Cuban seed and are indeed top drawer cigars.

Still, sugar and tobacco are and always have been their main exports by far. As far as imports it will take a while for Cuba to have the economy to be any real player in the world market.

Tourism will be their stepping stone to reach this level.
 
Nope...the airline industry would suffer. People would stop flying through Canada to get to Cuba.

Seriously...THATS the benefit? Like I said...you didnt give that whole bobblehead "uhuh...end Cuban embargo NOW" thing ANY thought...

Gee, you can only take issue with one of the many benefits (ie tourism, import/export, sugar, tobacco, etc) that have presented to you in this thread

It seems I'm not the one who hasn't given this any thought.
 
Gee, you can only take issue with one of the many benefits (ie tourism, import/export, sugar, tobacco, etc) that have presented to you in this thread

It seems I'm not the one who hasn't given this any thought.

You and others actually think the Castro government will begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an embargo would actually do to help the average citizen vs what it would do to stregthen and finance their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk liberal head bob.
 
You and others actually think the Castro government will begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an embargo would actually do to help the average citizen vs what it would do to stregthen and finance their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk liberal head bob.

Well, American tourists are just as welcome in Cuba as any other. It is in the best interests of the US to convert this enemy to a friend. They are only 90 miles away from our borders. This action should have been taken long ago, especially as it was brought on by bumbling geo-political actions of the US.

Outside of Cuba, the Castro Brothers hold little if any sway in the rest of the world. Yes, I think Cuba would be interested in trade with the US. To outright reject such a move would be shooting themselves in the foot, and while it isn't impossible that they would do that, it is unlikely.

See, Cuba just isn't the big boogeyman it has been portrayed to be.
 
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