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Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

Embargo?

  • End Embargo

    Votes: 53 84.1%

  • Keep Embargo

    Votes: 10 15.9%
  • Total voters
    63
Yes, then we can move rigs into the North Cuba Basin and start drilling for oil.
 
Polotick said:
He is our creation.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is called "Blame America First". Every dictatator, every tyrant, every act of oppression and terrorism... America caused it.


Keep the embargo, Castro is a mass-murdering totalitarian dictator.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I think its time.

The US simply cannot claim its for human rights anymore, or to make sure they're not supporting a communist or totalitarian regime. Its a ludicrous argument and your foreign policy for the last 50 years does not stand up to scrutiny with it. The Cuban regime are puppy dogs compared to other regimes you have supported in the past.

With your trading policies with China since Nixon, you've basically single handedly made them one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Why all this hoohaw over Cuba?

The cold war is over and has been for a long time, opening up your markets to Cuba and restoring relations could very well hasten Cubas long road to democracy. Isolating it seems to have only strengthened the regime.

Oh wait yeah... we gotta win Florida with the large Cuban expat population.

How stupid of me :doh
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I agree! I have a musician friend who goes there annually and he says the people are wonderful, and have you had one of their cigars? :sun
 
i'd imagine that cuba is better off with the embargo, actually. it's not like america isn't flooded with cuban
cigars, regardless of the embargo. and side-stepping the whole "tax/tariff" situation to sell on the black market
is probably preferable and more profitable to all concerned.
 
ecofarm said:
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is called "Blame America First". Every dictatator, every tyrant, every act of oppression and terrorism... America caused it.


Keep the embargo, Castro is a mass-murdering totalitarian dictator.
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Try to history. Since the 1800's American policy in Cuba was always from the position of superiority and greed.
 
You guys all say this like it is some simple solution to peace, love, and happiness. End the embargo...and...then what? Cuba is already free to trade with most of the rest of the world. That aint helping so good. We are going to sell them...which products exactly? Nah...Im thinking thats not going to happen. We will import...what...cigars? Cuba isnt exactly a hotbed of industry and we get plenty of cheap **** from other markets already. The Cuban resort towns (and government) already benefit from the tourism trade...that doesnt filter into the economy.

What do people really think it means to 'end the embargo'? Easy to say 'words'...how is it that it is supposed to help anything? You think the government would actually embrace a change and allow the US to paint the situation differently than what Castro has created there?
 
VanceMack said:
You guys all say this like it is some simple solution to peace, love, and happiness. End the embargo...and...then what? Cuba is already free to trade with most of the rest of the world. That aint helping so good. We are going to sell them...which products exactly? Nah...Im thinking thats not going to happen. We will import...what...cigars? Cuba isnt exactly a hotbed of industry and we get plenty of cheap **** from other markets already. The Cuban resort towns (and government) already benefit from the tourism trade...that doesnt filter into the economy.

What do people really think it means to 'end the embargo'? Easy to say 'words'...how is it that it is supposed to help anything? You think the government would actually embrace a change and allow the US to paint the situation differently than what Castro has created there?
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Ending the embargo doesn't have to result in peace love and happiness. But those who want to keep it should at least explain how it benefits the US to keep the embargo in place. Otherwise, why bother with an embargo when we could make some money and employ some americans at a time when unemployment is high
 
Lasher said:
Keep the embargo. Every argument made against it has been initiated by a Cuban, a socialist, or someone buying the communist gov. sources.
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Um... yeah... I favor privatizing most highways. I'm not exactly beholden to Castro's worker's paradise.

Lasher said:
Those threats initiated by Khruschev were intended to show strength when they really had none. Yes they had nuclear weapons, but they knew our second strike capibility would wipe them out. And plus look at the terms of peace: they didn't want us to invade Cuba since they told us not to invade it. Their proximity to Cuba was so far that logistics would be a huge problem and the United States would have interior lines.
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You don't "win" a full-scale nuclear exchange. I interviewed Khrushchev's son a couple of years ago for a History Day project. He described the mindset in the Kremlin as being that of implacable, even boneheaded resistance. After what the Soviet Union experienced in WWII it would not tolerate threats to it, no matter what the cost. Fortunately, common sense eventually carried the day.
 
For me it's simple. I'm not a socialist so a state under a supposedly benign dictator will fail. Cuba has for over 50 years had a excuse for it's failure. End the ineffective embargo and end the excuse for the miserable failure.
 
lewstherin said:
i'd imagine that cuba is better off with the embargo, actually. it's not like america isn't flooded with cuban
cigars, regardless of the embargo. and side-stepping the whole "tax/tariff" situation to sell on the black market
is probably preferable and more profitable to all concerned.
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i don't think so. this isn't about cigars, after all.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Um... yeah... I favor privatizing most highways. I'm not exactly beholden to Castro's worker's paradise.



You don't "win" a full-scale nuclear exchange. I interviewed Khrushchev's son a couple of years ago for a History Day project. He described the mindset in the Kremlin as being that of implacable, even boneheaded resistance. After what the Soviet Union experienced in WWII it would not tolerate threats to it, no matter what the cost. Fortunately, common sense eventually carried the day.
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You are forgetting the point for a second strike capibility, which was our upper hand back in 1962.
 
sangha said:
Ending the embargo doesn't have to result in peace love and happiness. But those who want to keep it should at least explain how it benefits the US to keep the embargo in place. Otherwise, why bother with an embargo when we could make some money and employ some americans at a time when unemployment is high
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And who would you employ? What products would you sell there? No way in hell Cuba imports American goods. The ONLY thing lifting the embargo would do would be to release travel restrictions. People wouldnt have to fly through Canada to get to Cuba. Enhance the wealthy tourism areas and government bank accounts but would do nothing for the typical Cubanos.

Like I said...you talk about this as if you have actually given thought to it beyond...yeah...we should lift the embargo...cuz...thats wrong...but you havent.
 
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Lasher said:
If you say so. You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about.
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you are too busy moving goal posts to care what you are talking about

Cuban military might is the last concern any sane person should have, yet that seems to be your focus.

I find it rather comical, if not pathetic
 
VanceMack said:
And who would you employ? What products would you sell there? No way in hell Cuba imports American goods. The ONLY thing lifting the embargo would do would be to release travel restrictions. People wouldnt have to fly through Canada to get to Cuba. Enhance the wealthy tourism areas and government bank accounts but would do nothing for the typical Cubanos.

Like I said...you talk about this as if you have actually given thought to it beyond...yeah...we should lift the embargo...cuz...thats wrong...but you havent.
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your points are a waste of time. individual business would be free to import/export as they choose. what would that amount to? I don't know for sure, I imagine sugar and tobacco would be the trade of choice for imports but it doesn't matter. the embargo should end because it is a stupid waste of time and resources to enforce.
 
ARealConservative said:
you are too busy moving goal posts to care what you are talking about

Cuban military might is the last concern any sane person should have, yet that seems to be your focus.

I find it rather comical, if not pathetic
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I never change goal posts. I've been saying from the start that lifting the embargo would still leave them communist and in a position to regain their economy. Behind it all is power politics to convince them to change democracy and then leave them alone. This piece of Cuban island was an overextension of communist land. You have never given ANY piece of evidence that contradicts my statements. Let me ask you: what is interior lines?
 
Lasher said:
I never change goal posts. I've been saying from the start that lifting the embargo would still leave them communist and in a position to regain their economy. Behind it all is power politics to convince them to change democracy and then leave them alone. This piece of Cuban island was an overextension of communist land. You have never given ANY piece of evidence that contradicts my statements. Let me ask you: what is interior lines?
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so sick of your version of phony conservatism.

you are a globalist, not a conservative. not even close.
 
Those who say Cuba is free to trade with they want should read up on the Helms Burton Act and what it implies.
 
ARealConservative said:
so sick of your version of phony conservatism.

you are a globalist, not a conservative. not even close.
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Not a globalist at all. If I was a globalist I would promote free trade, border immigration, and debt. That is definitely not my POV. And BTW your post was a diversion tactic from my question: what is interior lines?
 
ARealConservative said:
your points are a waste of time. individual business would be free to import/export as they choose. what would that amount to? I don't know for sure, I imagine sugar and tobacco would be the trade of choice for imports but it doesn't matter. the embargo should end because it is a stupid waste of time and resources to enforce.
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Really? You honestly believe the Cuban government will import US goods for sale on their economy?

Look..Ii get that my words are wasted. Talking to mindless ideologues is a waste exercise. Someone said it and you no your head like a bobblehead dog in the back window of a lowrider. No thought needed when you are blessed with other peoples talking points
 
VanceMack said:
Really? You honestly believe the Cuban government will import US goods for sale on their economy?

Look..Ii get that my words are wasted. Talking to mindless ideologues is a waste exercise. Someone said it and you no your head like a bobblehead dog in the back window of a lowrider. No thought needed when you are blessed with other peoples talking points
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You took the words right out of my mouth.
 
VanceMack said:
Really? You honestly believe the Cuban government will import US goods for sale on their economy?

Look..Ii get that my words are wasted. Talking to mindless ideologues is a waste exercise. Someone said it and you no your head like a bobblehead dog in the back window of a lowrider. No thought needed when you are blessed with other peoples talking points
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I know we would import goods like sugar and tobacco. It is not hard to see us exporting some goods, like car parts for example. you ever seen pictures of all the late model American cars still in operation there?
 
Lasher said:
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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if these are your words, we don't need to enforce an embargo when a defacto one would exist.
 
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