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Thread: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I voted to keep the embargo, until cubans stop trying to swim to fla something still stinks in cuba and if you talk to any cubans that have made it to florida...they tell a whole different side of fidel and cuba that we dont ever get to hear....hes a dirtbag...leave the embargo until a human being runs the country
    I dunno, I think if we lifted it we'd have more Cuban exiles coming over.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I dunno, I think if we lifted it we'd have more Cuban exiles coming over.
    I think the pressure needs to stay till Fidel and his brother are no longer in charge...Leopards dont change their spots and if you go to south florida the cubans utterly hate fidel...there has to be reasons that we dont know for it to be that intense...

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    It should have been lifted 20 years ago.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why?

    Does your opinion have anything to do with what is best for the US? If so, how does your position benefit the US?
    Who will benefit the most, the US or Cuba?
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I think the pressure needs to stay till Fidel and his brother are no longer in charge...Leopards dont change their spots and if you go to south florida the cubans utterly hate fidel...there has to be reasons that we dont know for it to be that intense...
    Well, there's the argument that the pressure would be a lot more effective if you lift the embargo. Just playing devil's advocate here, not saying i necessarily agree with that, but I think on the whole both countries would be better off if it's lifted.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

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    Who will benefit the most, the US or Cuba?
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I voted to keep the embargo, until cubans stop trying to swim to fla something still stinks in cuba and if you talk to any cubans that have made it to florida...they tell a whole different side of fidel and cuba that we dont ever get to hear....hes a dirtbag...leave the embargo until a human being runs the country
    The problem with this is that the heavy-handed approach has not been working for 50 years. Why would it suddenly work in the next few years? The Castro Brothers are not terribly popular with the Cuban people, but as long as there is an embargo, they can just point to the boogeyman and say, "You need us. If it weren't for us, you would not survive against the Americans." Once the embargo is lifted, the Castros have nothing to fall back on. Increased trade would also improve the Cuban economy, and when people don't have to worry that much about where their next meal will come from they become a lot more observant of their government's abuses. Trying to strangle communism out of Cuba has only served to make it more entrenched. It is time for Washington to try a different way.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, there's the argument that the pressure would be a lot more effective if you lift the embargo. Just playing devil's advocate here, not saying i necessarily agree with that, but I think on the whole both countries would be better off if it's lifted.
    That could very well be still...Im not adamantly opposed to it...Im basically conceding to the Cubans who im sure know more than I

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The problem with this is that the heavy-handed approach has not been working for 50 years. Why would it suddenly work in the next few years? The Castro Brothers are not terribly popular with the Cuban people, but as long as there is an embargo, they can just point to the boogeyman and say, "You need us. If it weren't for us, you would not survive against the Americans." Once the embargo is lifted, the Castros have nothing to fall back on. Increased trade would also improve the Cuban economy, and when people don't have to worry that much about where their next meal will come from they become a lot more observant of their government's abuses. Trying to strangle communism out of Cuba has only served to make it more entrenched. It is time for Washington to try a different way.
    ALot of what you say is true...and I believe alot of it especially with guys my age who lived through the cuban crisis...I know Fidel hates us deeply he wanted Russia to annihilate us...he tried to get Krushchev to nuke us...hence the missile sites in cuba that JFK rightfully took a firm stance against....Alot of it has been punishment and retribution that act of war against us..
    Last edited by lpast; 08-01-11 at 11:54 AM.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Our entire Cuba policy for the last 50 years has been utterly pathetic. Its a sad joke that we actually base our foreign policy on pettiness and inertia. There is absolutely no good reason for the embargo and yet nobody ever even bothers to question its existence on the political stage.

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