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Thread: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    We did the same thing with China and the USSR, does that mean we didn't spill blood to roll back communism in Korea and Vietnam? The Soviets bloodily protected Communism in Czechoslovakia and Hungary. You are missing the point entirely. The Kremlin knew that a nuclear war would have blasted them to hell, but after the experiences of WWII, they weren't giving an inch of ground. It's called brinkmanship
    We spilt blood because of a containment policy in regards to the Soviet Union. And even if they did have success in expanding, at one point they would've overextended.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lasher
    Communists prefer to let the Capitalists fight out against each other. The reason they do this is because they know that if they get confronted by the capitalist countries altogether, their survival would be threatened. This is how Stalin played us off against the Fascists for the first two years of the war.
    Stalin was trying to get the western powers behind a united front against Fascism in Europe. Only when that failed did he turn to agreements with Hitler such as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. The western powers were trying to play Hitler off against the Soviets by attempting to appease him and hoping he would go east. This is well documented.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You guys all say this like it is some simple solution to peace, love, and happiness. End the embargo...and...then what? Cuba is already free to trade with most of the rest of the world. That aint helping so good. We are going to sell them...which products exactly? Nah...Im thinking thats not going to happen. We will import...what...cigars? Cuba isnt exactly a hotbed of industry and we get plenty of cheap **** from other markets already. The Cuban resort towns (and government) already benefit from the tourism trade...that doesnt filter into the economy.

    What do people really think it means to 'end the embargo'? Easy to say 'words'...how is it that it is supposed to help anything? You think the government would actually embrace a change and allow the US to paint the situation differently than what Castro has created there?
    Screw Cuba! I would like to see an end to the embargo because of what's in it for us. Who give's a **** if Cuba is better off from it?

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    Disagreed. We got into the Cuban Missile Crisis for several reasons; the primary one being our Cold War with the Soviet Union. The fact we didn't recognize Castro after he took over from Batista turned Castro to the USSR. It was more complicated than that, but that's the jist of it.
    The main reason why the Soviets got mad was our attempts to get rid of Castro. Other issues, like missiles in Turkey, were secondary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    As for lifting the embargo, I'm for it. If our second largest trade partner and primary bank is the People's Republic of China, it seems stupid to have an embargo on a two-bit nation. The embargo is more about appeasing anti-Castroites in Miami than political ideology.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lasher View Post
    We spilt blood because of a containment policy in regards to the Soviet Union. And even if they did have success in expanding, at one point they would've overextended.
    It doesn't matter whether it was a good idea or not. Policymakers do stupid **** all the time. I have spoken to Khrushchev's son and read his biography on his father. They did not want to let go of Cuba just as we did not want to let go of West Germany.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I asked a question which you responded to. When your response is in the form of an answer, I will consider answering your question
    Dude, grow up. It's no wonder things are going for you like they are.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Dude, grow up. It's no wonder things are going for you like they are.
    I'm wealthy and retired (for about 10 years now), so I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about when you talk about me.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    I think we should do a trade first.

    We will give them a Chevy Volt for every old car they give us. I know they are held together with duct tape and wire, but it would be a kick to restore them to their former glory.

    Then maybe lift the embargo.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think its time.

    The US simply cannot claim its for human rights anymore, or to make sure they're not supporting a communist or totalitarian regime. Its a ludicrous argument and your foreign policy for the last 50 years does not stand up to scrutiny with it. The Cuban regime are puppy dogs compared to other regimes you have supported in the past.

    With your trading policies with China since Nixon, you've basically single handedly made them one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Why all this hoohaw over Cuba?

    The cold war is over and has been for a long time, opening up your markets to Cuba and restoring relations could very well hasten Cubas long road to democracy. Isolating it seems to have only strengthened the regime.

    Oh wait yeah... we gotta win Florida with the large Cuban expat population.

    How stupid of me
    I haven't read the thread yet, and don't need to. This festering 50 year old grudge match makes us look like a bunch of sulking school kids who can't get over the agony of the little guy who stole our Hostess Ho-Ho a half-century ago. The reason why is obvious, and you hit the nail on the head. Most presidential candidates know they can't win without taking the state of Florida, and they can't take Florida without the Cuban vote. One whiff of reasonable debate about why the hell we still embargo a poverty-ridden nation that is of no global consequence, and Cuban outrage overruns the national Latino community, a wave of votes that no candidate can go up against and win.

    This Cuban situation has gnawed at me for decades. There's absolutely no reason for having dragged this on so long beyond political pandering taking precedence over national interest and foreign relations. Galls me to my toenails. Now to read the thread and find out who is going to want my head on a pike next to yours, lol, and who shows common sense!

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